New drivers arrogance

i have never read or have i saw that they have to be done in a particular order--BUT logic and common sense trlls one that there is an order and while i am not sure of reruns order of air testing i would assume it is one that makes most sense
as a mechanic i have done more air tests and dot checks than i care to remember and i followed the order that was laid out in my inspection book--it is written that way for a reason---so that you can learn it and do it repetatively and so it makes sense and so you dont for get a step

 

this is TRUE, the CDL was supposed to be "across the board".....but NOOoooooo...it is not....

the federal government came up with the rules, that the states must at least use the "minimum" but they can also change the testing procedures if they come up with something better, they just cannot go below gov'mnt minimums.....

i wish too they would all be uniform......

yeah, a guy from florida can easily fail the MASS skills testing, or RI, or CT.......all because florida didn't test a particular yard skill or pre-trip....up here in MASS & RI, there are 210 objects a person has to cover on just the pre-trip...!!!

but can "safely" miss 10 items, and pass....(the pre-trip)

the brake test...???

one mis-step in procedure, you are HISTORY, you ARE GOING HOME WITH OUT A CDL....in RI, you go HOME IMMEDIATELY(no other testing done, and pay yet another $50 for the tests again..!!)....in MASS, you get to do all the other yard skills, but no road test.....(and pay all over again to repeat the brake test, THEN you go for the road test....(as long as you pass the brake test this second time)

 

we do not teach ABC's...we teach trucking..it is to be assumed that a student knows right from wrong, and has common sense...we cannot teach common sense, one either has it and survives or is doomed to fail if he does not..

no, i do not have a college degree in teaching, but neither do many technical school instructors either. the 'usual" requirement to teach driving is (in many instances) at least 10 years experience..to teach in a technical school about 10 years and trade certifications as well...as stated, we do not teach the ABC's one should already know, we teach the trade they are getting into..there ARE state certifications we MUST have in order to teach our respective trades..

now comes the "student body".....mostly ADULTS....some PUNKS, some young (as young as 17 soon to be 18 that want to drive)

they all need to be "grouped together" as you cannot separate the age or social class of these students (when in the classroom or yard). one on one training is where they get specialized treatment.

these are for the most parts adults......the punks are put into place ASAP, to let them KNOW who is in charge and how the industry DOES NOT TOLERATE attitude problems.

this is an on going problem, and many CDL Mills simply let the punks over run the place.....I DO NOT ALLOW THIS, and neither does my "new" employer.....when you let the punks take over, you lost all control of the situation....when you let a "know it all" student take over, you lose control of the situation as well.....you cannot allow a "know it all" student to take over, as he WILL fail his DMV tests.....and WE WILL NOT ALLOW anyone to fail, we DO NOT set up anyone to fail...

this is why we need to be more hard core, so they know from day one, who is in charge, and they WILL LEARN from that day forward......

go back to the days of military basic training......give your DI a problem.....you're digging latrine ditches for a while.....the DI's job is to educate you so that YOU SURVIVE out there in the battlefield.......


yet no one complains about that......HHmmmmm

 

Who said anything about right and wrong? I said professional driving instructors need more training on the principals of teaching in this industry. Nothing more, nothing less.

Did I say driving instructors ought to have a degree? If so, please show me where I said it. I said they need more training in the principals of teaching.

I think this is a good thing. But how does having 10 years of driving experience in any way shape or form train you to know how to teach it? It doesn't. I know you think it does. But it doesn't.

Again, trade certifications certify that you can do the trade, not teach it. There is a big difference. Huge. The fact that you can't see that is kind of frightening.

And as I've said, often those certifications require very little knowledge on the principals of teaching. You keep getting hung up on ABC's as though one should only be required to master the principals of teaching if they going to teach kids to read and write. But you seem to believe that this knowledge is completely unnecessary when teaching someone to operate and 80k vehicle. Its really disturbing that you don't see how knowledge of the principals of teaching are really required to do either one effectively. Its also kind of disturbing that you don't seem to understand how periods are supposed to be used in sentence structure, but maybe that's because the person who taught you your ABC's had been spelling for 10 years but didn't actually have any teaching certifications.

But again, I can sense that your fragile ego is getting hurt so I'll stop. Suffice it to say that you and I disagree on what ought to be required in order to teach someone else how to drive a truck.

 

Most states require the brake test to be done in a specific order. A DOT officer will have you do the brake test in a specific order as well.

 

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Lets go back and explain military training. I know the Navy learned years ago that you can not use one type of managerial or leadership style to be successful. You are demonstrating here a type of style that is in line with Authoritarian or Autocratic and it may work for you. But I do believe (and I hope you do mix it up a little) that you need to use other skills along with that type and know when to apply other styles. Just like you say you can not compare states with others, the same applies to the military. When you train or teach in the military that student can not go anywhere, you're stuck with them and you learn to adjust. In your line of work if they don't follow what you say you get rid of them. I just wonder how many good drivers have been canned?

I'm not trying to go against you in what you do. I've taught many of drivers on how to drive and I know it's not easy. I just hope that you have the attitude of no one is completely knowledgeable of all aspects of trucking and you never stop learning no matter how many years you have behind the wheel. Failing a driver for not doing procedures the correct way is a failure on your part also. You shouldn't be boisterous about it IMHO.

 

if you mean to say "canned" as in kicked out of school, i do not do that...

when a student is taught how to do the pre-trip, brake test, yard skills, and road, they are taught as properly as possible. they are "worked with" for a while, like today for example. i had a class B student learning his air brakes....

i explained the air brake test to him as he did what he was told to do.

the second time, he did the test, with me by his side, making corrections to what he was doing..

the third time, he did most of it on his own...with little verbal help from me..

the forth time, he nearly aced the brake test, missing only the proper sequence once..

the fifth time, he got it down.

and today was his second day there, but my first day working with him...

so the students are taught, guided, and helped.....

it's when i test them, if they screw up, they get the boot out of the truck, to re-read the sequence......then later, either that day or the next, they do it again......

how many freaking times do i have to explain myself.....???

i said about all i can say, this is the way I DO IT, and IT WORKS, and MY students PASS the DMV tests......how can anyone argue PASS results...?? ya just can't.....

if anyone has any problems with MY teaching skills, keep it to yourselves...its falling on deaf ears over here...what works for me is going to stay that way.....don't like it...??

don't read it anymore....

 

Aw Cmon,An ol football coach told me in High School,- "If they aint talkin bout ya...,ya AINT playin the game..."

 

Maybe if you came off a little less boisterous and didn't respond like an hard ##### all the time you'd get less questions. Plus this group is for learning (which you should know) and if anyone has questions or statements regarding the job it should be solicited and not restricted. Don't like, don't read it.