NEW ELD standard Triggering my E-Logs in yard movement

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by johnnyman1099, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    The big carriers all try this to one degree or another. They have a large enough driver pool that they find enough suckers to create "team trucks", but the poor bastardos, they don't rarely have true team LONG HAUL freight to work with, they just haul their bread and butter short and mid range freight , 24/7 and lucky if they can manage more than 4,500 mile/week with those loads. That, split among two drivers, is terrible for the drivers, but great for the company. And it's just not the miserable gross pay they deal with, it's 10+ idle hours every week sitting in a sardine can, in the heat, staring at each other, waiting for the next pickup or drop to hurry up and get done.

    Good team creation just doesn't happen organically very often. And when it's a bad mix, it won't work for very long, and it creates lots of problems and costs to break the team down and rebuild it every couple of months. Solo driving will still be the overwhelming reality forever I guess. That's what has always drawn many into the trade is the idea of being alone for days and weeks, and that will never change no matter what the carriers do to try and move away from that concept, toward team operation.
     
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  3. Brandt

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    How about they just give solo drivers more time to do the run. If at terminal they can hire another yard guy if needed to move trailers. It will just be the price of doing business
     
  4. johnnyman1099

    johnnyman1099 Medium Load Member

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    The biggest problem with requiring all carriers to use ELD is the 5mph rule. Currently, carriers can set it any speed as long as it stays a certain radius. Any carriers ignoring this new standard of 5mph rule can possibly be fine $10,000 per occurance.

    DOT audits is all about generating income and $10,000k fine for every HOS violation does motivate them to enforce their rule. I quit my DOT Authority because of these huge fines to the carrier. As a driver, DOT can only fine you within 7 days of the violation. As a carrier, they can finecomb all the HOS violations up to 6 months. At $10,000 per HOS violation, the DOT will generate lots of $$$$.

    Any yard move is ON duty or Personal Convenience. Only Owner Operators not under dispatch (no preplan, or not under a load) can use Personal Convenience. Since Elog records everything and is linked directed to the TRUCK'S ECM, unplugging the ELog cable wont help. I have tried unplugging the stupid ELog device to drive across the street. Once I log back on, the move shows up as unclaim move and details the date, time and duration and length of the move.

    I dont mind ELog under the current standard, but if they go by the book and enforce the 5mph rule, many drivers and their carriers will be in violation.
     
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  5. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Understand, with many systems, the "speed rule" only starts a "pre-timer" [that it will "back-date" to], but as long as you stop inside of a certain distance threshold and turn off the truck [or other actions I won't detail here], it won't start/commit the Drive time, and will extend (commit) the current status (Off Duty or Sleeper) to that new time. That should be clear as mud.

    This is not the case with ALL systems, just some.
     
  6. johnnyman1099

    johnnyman1099 Medium Load Member

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    My company is using Keep Truckin connected to the truck's computer. AS SOON as i go over 5mph, it puts me at Driving even if it was just 1 sec. If i crawl at 3mph for 5 minutes and stop, it doesnt trigger Duty Status Change. But if i crawl at 3mph for 5 minutes and accently went over 5mph for 1 second, it will back track and said I Drove the entire 5 minutes.

    I talked to the support people for our ELD and my company's safety people about this and they said to be in compliant and certified with the new regulation, this is how things are set unless the government change the standard
     
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  7. austinmike

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    Looks like I'll be retiring at the end of this year lol
     
  8. poppapump1332

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    that's exactly right until december company can set the speed and miles but once the mandate hits its 5mph.Just another reason why elogs suck.
     
  9. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Can somebody provide some links verifying the details of this hot-button issue some swear by? I'm more interested in the details and fine print than the bullet point general statements.

    Thanks in advance.

    Or is this coffee counter "trucker here-say"?
     
  10. IluvCATS

    IluvCATS Road Train Member

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    Well Im gonna be driving 5mph thru major arterials with my flashers on I guess! There will be plenty others doing the same.
     
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  11. Chasingthesky

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    Appendix A to Subpart B of Part 395—
    Functional Specifications for All
    Electronic Logging Devices (ELDs)

    4.3.1.2. Vehicle Motion Status
    (a) An ELD must automatically determine whether a CMV is in motion or stopped by comparing the vehicle speed information with respect to a set speed threshold as follows:
    (1) Once the vehicle speed exceeds the set speed threshold, it must be considered in motion.
    (2) Once in motion, the vehicle must be
    considered in motion until its speed falls to 0 miles per hour and stays at 0 miles per hour for 3 consecutive seconds. Then, the vehicle will be considered stopped.
    (3) An ELD’s set speed threshold for
    determination of the in-motion state for the purpose of this section must not be
    configurable to greater than 5 miles per hour.

    (b) If an ELD is required to have a link to
    the vehicle’s engine ECM, vehicle speed
    information must be acquired from the
    engine ECM. Otherwise, vehicle speed
    information must be acquired using an
    independent source apart from the
    positioning services described under section 4.3.1.6 of this appendix and must be accurate within ±3 miles per hour of the CMV’s true ground speed for purposes of determining the in-motion state for the CMV.
     
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