new HOS regulations fast approaching..........

I log on paper, both because the company wants me to AND as a weapon against something like when one of the girls called me about 5:30 one afternoon and tried to put me on a 2AM pickup. I told her I could not do that on a legal log book. She said "I don't understand" Uh huh. Weapon!

 

I'm on the night shift 430 to 430am I work 6 on 2 off how will I be able to get 2nighs sleeping 1 to 5am


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Even with Cowpie1's example when you burn 70 hours that quickly you would still need to wait until the 168th hour elapsed starting from the first hour of the first day you started, correct?

In a perfect world, this scenario works. But let's say you didn't get started until 2 pm on Monday. That would be the start of your next 168. And the next week, you wouldn't be allowed to start until 2pm, correct? This would just keep getting pushed further and further back. Add in weekends and it results in even more reduced productivity.

I am almost to the point where I hope they F it up so bad that drivers are driving around when they are tired as s*** and having crashes left right and center. I hope all the crashes happen because the only way the driver could bring home a reasonable paycheck under the new rules is he MUST drive when some rule tells him. If the public sees us as these death machines they might just get what they are asking for. Regulate it right into the ###### ground. Put everything on the rail and be happy it gets there, whenever I guess. Just build the WalMart directly in line so the train can just drop off the railcar.

IF THE CURRENT RULES WORK, WHY ARE WE CHANGING THEM?????????????????????????????????

 

And Public Citizen, I guess these people will complain next when a loaf of bread and gallon of milk cost $15 and is spoiled when they get it. Hope they enjoy this.

THe listening sessions were a joke, the FMCSA already KNEW what they were going to do, the listening sessions were just a "feel good" moment to make it look like they cared.

You NEED to ring the phone off the hook at you congressman's office and tell them to repeal this crap.

 

Instead of giving all the blame to LaHood, an equal amount needs directed to them nosy jerks with deep pockets that keep suing the govt over the log rules, when they have no vested interest in this industry. CRASH, PAT, Public Citizen...etc. That is where most of the blame for this logbook fiasco we've been living goes.

 

This is where a lot of folks are messing up. The 168 hrs is counted from the START of the last reset. So..... if you started a reset at 8 p.m. on Friday, you could start another reset 168 hrs later, or 8 p.m. the next friday. The 168 hrs is not from when you started actually working. For instance, if you went home for 4 days, got there at 5 p.m. Thursday evening so that you started a reset at home. Now you take off on Monday evening or Tuesday morn. You could begin another reset at 5 p.m. on Thursday (168 hrs from the start of your last reset) even though you had only been working for 2-3 days. This is sooo simple. Go online at FMCSA and download the 28 pages on this new HOS reg. It states this very clearly.

I remember everyone saying the exact same thing back when we got the first wave of new HOS regs. "the current rules work, there is no need to change them". It doesn't mean anything. When you have a bunch of government hacks that are trying to justify their jobs and their budget appropriations, you are going to get new regulations. It is that simple. Been that way before the ink was dry on the Constitution.

 

Funny, the rule I learned back in the day was "As long as you have a fresh log sheet, you have hours driver!" You rookies have no idea how good you have it these days.

 

Oh.... and lets not forget the trucking side also.... The Alliance for Driver Safety and Security for one. Nothing more than a group put together by Schneider, Knight, Maverick, US Xpress and JB Hunt to lobby for this kind of stuff including E-logs and speed limiters on all trucks. Sick how they will use a "feel good" type of name to the organization to throw everyone off as to what they are really up to.

True, the busy body groups have been at our heels for years trying to restrict what we do. But we have deep pockets from within that are doing the exact same thing. That makes me angrier than some PAT, CRASH type of group doing this stuff. Having an enemy against you is one thing. Having your own kind being your enemy is another.

 

I suspect the truckstops may have some how influenced the HOS rules we're dealing with. Think about how many drivers only stop for fuel mid-workday, grab something out of the fridge and roll until their clock runs out. Now, those same drivers essentially have to fuel, then park (if they can) for 30 minutes. What do you think they're going to do in that 30 minutes that they wouldn't have done normally? Truckstops don't care that there is no parking available, that's not their concern or problem, that's the driver's problem. They only care when the fuel line backs up traffic to the street, stopping normal ingress and egress.

 

I am kind of looking at it as this. If you were to take your logs and line them all up and take a ruler that is 168 hours long and set it over any period of the logs, the hours inside of that 168 should never amount to more than 70. Is this correct?