HI guys,
I have an interesting question reguarding the USDOT regulations considering a vehicle GVRW 26,000 lbs, (...this is NOT a converted RV), private cargo, travels the US, not a recreational vehicle, where we provides Free medical services. No charge, no insurance claims, no trade for service, it is Free. But we've been told we must comply with the USDOT regulations
Because the current USDOT/FMCSA regulations are meant for Interstate Commerce, Im going on the premise that commerse is the "the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportaton from place to place...", by that definition, the company I work for wouldn't/shouldn't "qualify" to be a "commercial business" in the sense that we don't buy or sell anything during our Clinic, it's all free. We are funded through private donations.
And the Question is simply
"Is it necessary to abide by the USDOT/FMCSA Commerse Regulations, and why or why not?"
Believe me when I say that Im not looking for any excuse to not follow these regulations, they are there to protect life, limb and cargo, and we follow them accordingly, but it's the extent of having to deal with the bureaucracy and paying for things that are unnecessary, we don't fall into the catagory of a Commercial Business. That's the issue.
I would appreciate your thoughts and ideas on the matter
Thanks.
Non-Commercial USDOT requirements
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Mark5, Mar 11, 2019.
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I don't think it matters if the services are free or not. You are still providing services and I suspect you will be required to treat that vehicle as a CMV in all ways. However, to be safe I suggest you contact an attorney that knows more about this subject.
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You are a commercial non-profit is what it sounds like to me. Just because you don't sell anything doesn't mean it's not commercial.
There is litterly hundreds of years of case law that define what is commercial. You fall well within the boundaries.Bean Jr. Thanks this. -
I am going to say yes, you are a private fleet, also known as a private motor carrier of property. Even the Red Cross and other charity organizations have to comply with the USDOT regulations regarding commercial motor vehicles.
The source of the funding is irrelevant, this is being operated as an enterprise, albeit a charitable one, it is still a regulated entity. Ask yourself, does the entity have any of the following;
1- Liability insurance, including but not limited to errors & omissions to protect you and the other staff from medical malpractice?
2- Federal EIN/Tax ID to allow for non-profit status and tax exemptions when purchasing supplies, giving reciepts to the private benefactors donating to operating expense and other ordinary business-like expenses (the vehicle would be a big one)
3- Workers comp or other occupational coverage for you, and the other staff (if any) to cover you when you get injured?x1Heavy Thanks this. -
https://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/query.a...napshot&query_param=USDOT&query_string=845123
US DOT record for the American Red Cross -
Now that I am not on my phone and back at my computer, there may be a way around this, depending upon how often you use the commercial vehicle.
390.3
(f) Exceptions, Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to-
(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;
This is open to interpretation as they do not define occasional. As for your definition of commerce, when used by the FMCSA interstate commerce is accepted as, paraphrasing here, the mere act of transportation in furtherance of an enterprise. The actual definition is somewhat vague on the need for compensation to be involved to make it commerce.
Further complicating matters is what I believe is the intent of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations, in which they have a special category (not directly applicable but follow along) for Private Motor Carriers of Passengers Non-business. This is for church groups and the like, so by extrapolation it could be argued that since the FMCSA regulates non-business passenger transportation when using vehicles that meet the definition of buses, they intend to also regulate non-business activities using commercial motor vehicles.
The FMCSA has gone so far as to regulate horse transportation when competing for even minor prize money, as well as weekend dirt-track car racing haulers, so it is not a stretch of my imagination for them to regulate your charitable organization. -
as soon as you say, "My Company" your commercial, your are not private use any longer.
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Even a non profit can be a commercial.
Vehicles have specific requirements per regulations in the DOT and FMCSA. It's too much to get into here. But you can bet at some point you will feel Uncle Sam's Law on whatever Medical stuff you run.
If you are going to have narcotics with that vehicle, you open yourself to a world of risk. (Maybe not personally but in today's really fractured pain management situation across the USA you will run into people who are essentially addicts by medical definition.) -
If you were providing food to the public and not charging them you would still be subject to health dept regulationsbrian991219 and x1Heavy Thank this.
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