Northeast 'Backhaul' rate to the Midwest.

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by askbob, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. askbob

    askbob Light Load Member

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    My home area is around Louisville, KY. Routinely decent freight both in and outbound. I always run out and then back towards home. To maximize my time versus dollars made, as well as the good rates, I generally run to central PA. I stay away from NJ and anything further northeast due to the congestion as well as many other reasons. Without fail, freight rates from central/eastern PA always seem to be $1.00-$1.30 per mile back to the Midwest as posted on load boards by brokers. I've tried many times making direct contacts for return loads to try and make at least a decent return rate. Haven't solidified any yet. The thing is that there is a ton of manufacturing/shipping going on all over PA. Plenty of freight everywhere going to anywhere. There is no way in hell that ANY carrier based in PA will haul a load for anywhere near that price! Or am I missing something here? I ALWAYS here people talk about how cheap freight is out of the northeast coming back west. Even old timers from my dads era. Any of you Northeast guys care to chime in?
     
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  3. bigdad7

    bigdad7 Road Train Member

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    Bavkhaul is that a new type of produce i,ve mever hauled it b4
     
  4. askbob

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    Do enlighten us scrabble champion.
     
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  5. spyder7723

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    I'm in the 1.90 to 2.10 range coming out of pa. that's to the truck after the carrier takes 25 percent of the line haul. open deck freight. the problem with getting loads of of load boards that are posted by brokers it's that they don't have to pay you any more than a buck 30ish cause they get the loads moved that cheap. especially with reefer out dry box freight. literally tens of thousands of trucks go to the north east everyday just to provide the best amounts of food needed. so you have way more trucks than outbound loads available, your only option is just go make sure you have enough money on the load going in, that coming out cheap ( or empty)will average out to a good round trip. same thing with other bad markets, south Florida for example.
     
  6. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    Backhaul is a term that should never be used by a trucker.
     
  7. byoung1989

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    We run a lot of freight out of PA on a daily basis. Many of the lanes are PA-Indianapolis, IN or PA-Cincinnati, OH. We have built up a carrier base that can run these lanes for as low as $1.25/mile and as high as $1.70/mile. Most of the time, these carriers need to get back to their home state so they can get reloads on customer freight. They make good money per mile on that which gives them wiggle room to take lower per mile coming back.
     
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  8. Skunk_Truck_2590

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    Yup, everything in the world going into Florida but mostly only orange juice coming out if its in season. I've had to deadhead all the way out from Miami once back up into southern Georgia once. Thank god it wasn't my truck and I wasn't footing that bill. Personally I would avoid everything in the northeast all together except Virginia and south of it into the Carolina's other wise stay west of where you live. May take a little longer to get a load but if the math plays out it could be more rewarding than hauling that cheap crap out of the new england area. I took an old laminated atlas and pulled the national map out, cut it and tapped it up on the wall. Then I took a dry erase marker and colored out all the places I won't go. Anything north or east of PA is out of question, Florida, Commifornia and Minnesota. Oregon is oulined with a question mark because sometimes they do have decent loads so I see if what the truck woukd make is worth and will cover the extra permit needed for Oregon and a decent load back out of there or Washington. I try and steer clear of Chicago and east of it on 80/90. Tolls will eat up profit but re routing say like highway 6 below 80. May not do any good either because you actually end up spending more in fuel with all the stop and go driving than you would tolls straight through and the load just doesn't pay enough for either. Leave it for the chumps who like cheap crap that are dumb enough to haul it unless you get lucky on a load back out that pays very well and will cover those expenses plus turn a profit. I don't like the north east also because of fuel prices. Good god will that leave you with empty pockets. The cost of fuel and supplies (food etc) will eat you alive up there if you happen to be running low or out.

    My truck isn't on the road yet but I only know because the last company I worked for I had to run the truck like I owned it. My pay check in the end depended on it. Don't know about now but Alcoa in Lancaster, PA used to have decent stuff and a lot of it. Bout the only decent thing I've ever pulled out of there but thats flatbed. Been to long for me to remember anything on the reefer/dry van side of things.
     
  9. spyder7723

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    while I get what you are saying, the reality of the market mean some areas are always going to be" backhaul" freight markets.

    on topic: Louisville is a prime market, you could make a very very good income just running up to the Chicago area and back. I've even been considering relocating up to the Louisville area for that purpose.
     
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  10. BigKid2

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    Did you really have to post this response? That is my plan and I would rather not have too many people knowing about it.
     
  11. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    umm. sorry?
     
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