Never implied RV drivers don't present a risk. I pointed out that RV drivers are only regulated under certain conditions.
I see your emotions are in check and you are using sound comparisons for the discussion at hand. How did you come up with bicycles?
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Observations from roadside inspections
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Sep 12, 2009.
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there are signs that read "keep right except to pass",obviously there are some people who dont pay attention to them.
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For interstate commerce a CMV is defined as:
States have their own definition of a CMV for intrastate commerce.
Not revenue, commerce. Every person makes revenue, not every person is in commerce. The fact the vehicle is used for a business makes it subject to the safety regulations.
As a business vehicle the vehicle and its contents are subject to the safety regulations. If criminal activity is discovered during the stop then criminal law rules of evidence apply and the stop goes from an administrative action to a criminal action. Same applies to cars; a driver stopped for speeding is subject to vehicle code. If drugs or other illegal contraband are discovered then the applicable rule kicks in. No stop is made without justification.
The rules have been in affect since 1938, more rules have been added as society evolved to address the rules circumvented by loop holes discovered by those subject to the rules. The rules are applied as allowed by Congress. As explained each agency has limitations and must abide by the limits of their jurisdiction.
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The US DOT and FMCSA may only write rules and enforce rules as appointed by Congress. The grants issued to states for FMCSA/US DOT activities may only be used for the powers and duties as assigned by Congress. Some lattitude has been used using a program called TACT (Ticketing Agressive Cars and Trucks) to identify agressive driving near CMVs.
The US DOT cannot regulate portions of the public it has no jurisdiction over. When a car is stopped for speeding the driver is cited for state laws. When a truck is stopped it is in violation of federal rules and if an officer is authorized will cite the driver for any state violation discovered as state officers cannot enforce federal regulations. Many states have adopted the FMCSR. The issue was brought to light recently when it was discovered Minnesota did not adopt the FMCSR and is now being accused of placing drivers and vehicles in interstate commerce OOS without the proper authority.
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I understand the fmcsr rules and all.
I was just trying to show a different view to your comment about a truck driver killing a family of four. In my case, the family of the car will still be looking to put the blame on the truck driver. -
Wrong again, when people drivng autombiles are stopped they are cited and penalized for violating state, city, or county laws.
See my earlier responses regarding jurisdiction.
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My point exactly. The DOT does not regulate them because there is no money in it. The DOT stands for Department of Transportation. Last time I checked any vehicle on the road is considered transportation therefore they could regulate it if they wanted to. They regulate them in transit because there is money involved and god knows they have to get a piece of that action.
If it was 100% about safety as most LEO's suggest they would regulate EVERY vehicle on the road but it's not so they stick to the ones they can get away with screwing, and make the most money off of, the truckers. Now I'm not saying that we should be let loose like wild animals and have no regulations because that would be even worse but it's the fact that they discriminate against us when they do it.
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The DOT should start looking at some of them.
How about the large motor home with the large trailers that match them.
Some of them are doing illegal hauling of cars and other stuff. I have talked to some of them at the fuel stops asking what is in the trailer. Some are race cars, delivering cars, others are delivering goods. Some of the trailers meet the rules for instertate commerce as stated by Mike MD.outerspacehillbilly Thanks this. -
I understand the specifics, Mike, and i know all about jurisdiction, etc.
My point is, it does not matter if you are using the vehicle to make money, even if you aren't, you are still capable of killing people.
So, in short, i am implying that since that's the only thing that gives the DOT special jurisdiction over semi-trucks is that we make money with our vehicles.. So, yes, it seems to me like we are a revenue stream.
Yes, passenger vehicles are stopped, *WHEN / IF* they are stopped (By the way the officer needs a GOOD reason for doing so) only THEN are they subject to inspections, etc.
We are subject to them ALL THE TIME. There is no comparison.LooneyTune Thanks this. -
LT the FMCSA assigns carriers a Safestat score from A - H, "A" is bad "H" is good. I spend 80% of my time with the "A" and "B" carriers 18% on complaints and the remaining time on misc details. In my line of work I contend with the carriers that have a history of OOS violations and accidents; therefore, my perception of the transportation industry is formed based on a group of carriers with poor performance. As mentioned my roadside inspection resulted in 50% of the vehicle being placed OOS which raises concerns regarding the safety of the equipment on the road.
I go by the 1% theory 1% of the population drive the rules to change and have an impact on our daily lives. Keep in mind the government is reactive not proactive, any rule in place is there because someone was hurt, died, or loss something.
I never indicated all drivers were irresponsible, the post is aimed at those that fail to follow the rules and regulations and offers insight of the proposals coming down the pike to address unsafe behavior. All carriers will be affected by CSA2010, carriers that fail to monitor and reduce their driver/vehicle OOS violation rates will face sanctions for poor performance. Drivers that willfully and continually violate the rules may loose their ability to operate a CMV for hire due to the Driver Information Resource (DIR). The FMCSA has been collecting driver roadside inspection history for approximately 3 years. Users with access to DIR can see all roadside inspections performed on a driver using the drivers personal info. Just as carriers are assigned Safestat scores, driver may eventually be assigned a Driver Score using their roadside inspection history. Current plans indicate the DIR information will be released to carriers to determine the drivers ability to follow the rules.
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