What are some tips for drivers unfamiliar with hauling containers as far as axle weights and heavy containers?
With chassis that do not have adjustable tandems, are there any tricks to adjusting the fifth wheel to take weight off the chassis tandem, assuming the tractor has an adjustable fifth wheel?
What is the heaviest a 20 ft. container can be before over-axle weight is a concern, assuming there is no tri-axle chassis available?
Overweight/heavy container best practices
Discussion in 'Intermodal Trucking Forum' started by WCA64T SFA, Aug 21, 2021.
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you have to know the states you're running in, and this a really vague area. Colorado and Wyoming have the heaviest normal interstate weights, 12/36/36, as long as you don't exceed 80K. However, Wyoming is very strict on the bridge law/axle weights, you can be perfectly axle legal, under gross, and be over on bridge and get shutdown in Wyoming. It also depends on what roads are you running, interstate, US highway, local roads, and what distance are you going. I've run 20' containers on tandem axle chassis at 44K for maybe 25 miles on the interstate, wouldn't want to go any further, and even then I'm hesitant to do it.
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A continuation on this, you really need to have a motor carriers atlas and/or local bridge/axle limits, I carry a motor carriers in the truck, as well as a printout from the state of Wyoming showing the bridge law limits. Going back to my above comment, under Wyoming's bridge law, a 20' container weighing more than 36,000 lbs, on a stretch 20' chassis is illegal, as for a 5 axle combination, you exceed bridge limits. On a few occasions, we've been shutdown at the Port, and had to send another truck up to off-load part of the material, the only exception is an ISO tank or any HAZMAT liquid. Colorado is hit/miss regarding this, as are other states, but our rule of thumb, any 20' load going to or through Wyoming that will weigh more than 35,500 must be on a tri-axle, if the customer doesn't like it, too bad, hire someone else. Also, here's a sketchy part of this, we have competitors in our area with a bunch of 4 axle tractors, they run those instead of tri-axle chassis, it really depends on the mood of the scale master as to whether or not they are legal, I've seen them let a few hundred pounds over on bridge slide, but then other times, they've shut them down.
Even with 40' loads, we've started running them on tri-axle chassis due to too many tire issues, it's getting old having a driver sit on the side of the road for 5 or 6 hours waiting on road service for a 10.00x20 blowout, and in our case, we run some pretty rural parts of Wyoming, Montana, S.Dakota where cell service isn't happening, or you can't find anyone with a tire. If, we absolutely have to run it on a tandem, we don't exceed 65 mph loaded, and if time allows, might even only be doing 60 mph. If the weather permits (rain or cold temps), we might be able to step it up to 68 mph. Yes, we've had customers balk at the chassis rental fee for a tri-axle (we privately own 20), but we explain to them the other risks to it.Badmon, Bean Jr., Itsbrokeagain and 3 others Thank this. -
The company out of Chicago I run for has me assigned to their 4 axle tractor. I mainly use the pusher drop axle to comply with bridge weight on 20s. Typically I only do this on crosstowns. I will pull a loaded box from BNSF in Elwood to CSX in Bedford Park typically loaded between 37,000 and 43,000 about 45 miles. I will do a bunch of these, and using a 4 axle tractor with pool chassis allows us to save time getting lifted on and off for each run, they are already on chassis and i can just drop them at CSX. I did get a bridge weight ticket in Elwood with a slightly heavier load (45k). The drop axle really does stabilize the tractor and lessens the truck's rocking back and forth while starting with a heavy 20; it really makes it feel more sure footed. I never realized how much energy is wasted in that rocking.
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Out of over 600 chassis on long term lease and around 500 are new.
Radials, hub pilot wheels, Q brakes, secured LED lighting, 40/45's and multi pin slide axles have on board tire inflation. The drivers love them..
Been a few years since I had to order $2000.00 of lights every few months too.
PM charges dropped by 30% too.
He did slip up and take 50 'refurbs' from Trac. Looking into them I find they were re-furbed twice, 20 years old. New Paint, LED's and radials but on grease filled spoke wheel hubs...
We still have around 25 oldsters with 10:00 x 20 'WILL POPS' but we don't go far,
Radials are needed on any heavy of long haul trips, the anual stack of tire bills is only 1.5 inches now.kylefitzy, Bean Jr., Speed_Drums and 1 other person Thank this. -
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What scares me with those 're-furb' units is the fact that the 'depreciated value' goes up each time. Your insurance company says a 2001 Cheeta 40 foot is 4 or 5 grand but the steamship line wants 12 grand due to the cost of the re-furb. Desite the more modern appliances it is still a tired piece of junk. we had a guy hook the LR corner of one on the pier and it rippled like a train rear ended it.
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Now DCLI on the other hand put the 30 year old ex. sealand chassis back into the chassis pool. My guys are seeoing the numbers we turned back in two years ago among the small offering at the chassis depot... -
TRAC, which is TMWP/TSXZ out here, I was being sarcastic about the age, but yeah, we have some old chassis in the area, then there's the repair infighting between the depots, the railroad and us truckers. It gets old.
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