Paccar Engine(s)

rather opinionated aint he

 

all i really know is my 2011 KW T700 has had no engine issues
166545 miles as we speak avg 7.1 mpg almost always over 78000
7.3 avg this trip Cactus Tx - Jacksonville Fla 79500 with 5/8 tank of fuel

 

I am happy to hear any success story. It means more hope for the future, more choices, happier truckers, more money. We badly need pioneers. If all of us would be followers, we would not go anywhere. As I hear the MX getting better. Although it is true, Paccar owns DAF from 1996, they decided and started to design the new world engine in the early 2000 years, what we got in North America in 2009. They are working on it and try to improve year after year. It much better than the DAF engine was, but there are things they need to work on. For me it is not proven enough that is why I would not consider it. But if you chose it and works, I am happy for you.

 

Question for cosmic47:
After reading your first post on the MX engine,i got the impression that your problems were all related to the aftertreatmentsystem.

Is this assumption correct?

 

Hey folks. For what its worth...all the Sieg Heils were for humor.

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of the previous poster trying to make the point that there was NO reason to fear a German Take over of the Class 8 industry? Mercedes took over Freightliner wayyy back in 1981 !!!

I still remember the resentment of Daimler when they bought Freightliner! After that they kept the secret under wraps for a LONG time. The first time the put a Mercedes Star on a Freightliner was when they put their own motor in it and there was a big backlash even then, remember, Freightliner Is the #1 Class 8 OEM and they have been owned by Mercedes Since 1981 !!

No reason to worry about a German take over huh?? I guess not because it took place like 20 years ago!

It has always amazed me how drivers would treat the Mercedes Logo on my truck and at the same time be a big Freightliner Fan, seemingly unaware that Mercedes has OWNED Freightliner since 1981. Funny how we forget about these important facts when watching a company like Paccar Struggle to finally bring their MX motor to the market.

Have you not wondered what REALLY caused CAT to leave the Class 8 Market so quickly?

If I had to guess what really happened I would say that CAT saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to "HELP" Paccar through the implementation of their own in-house engine and flipped them the bird and pulled their motors, thus avoiding the future humiliation that they had already received with Freightliner when their engine was dumped from the option list.

My hat is off to CAT for leaving on their own account. Funny that they now have their own class 8 truck isn't it? Yeah, I know its a Navistar but I see it as them making a point more than anything. They look SWEET but I doubt they will ever sell that many of them. Wonder whose engine they will be putting in those things?

If you stop to think about it, where does all of this leave Cummins??? Don't you think the Cummins folks are freaked out right now wondering just how much longer it will take the MX to hit maturity here? What do you think will happen to Cummins? Wonder if they will have the balls to leave Paccar sooner than later. You know what will happen when Paccar works the bugs out of the MX right?

I really would love to see a Cummins/International merger!! At least this would give the "Made In The USA" folks a place to go buy a "real" US made truck and engine.

No forget the Idea of German take over. What this is all about now is a COMPLETE and TOTAL European take over of the US Class 8 industry.

The only thing standing between the EURO folks and complete victory is Navistar and Cummins.

If you really want to look at something to get behind, well this is it. If you really want to stand behind true American Companies, well this is all that's left.

So how about a good ole Sieg Heil! for Cummins and Navistar

 

No more opinionated than many of the KW & Peterbuilt Fans out there that seem to be OK with a Euro Motor in their big bad super trucks.

And actually a whole lot less HYPOCRITICAL then all of the ones that have snubbed their noses at my POS Mercedes powered rig. For all of those guys out there, I hope you are real happy with the same kind of motor in your big super hooded rigs now!!

I guess I will leave all of the hypocrisy to the Paccar Fan Boys out there that have always talked trash on Mercedes over the years.
Now that their precious CAT motors are gone, what ever will they do?

Good thing PACCAR didn't put DAF on the side of the MX. It says PACCAR so everything is ok for those with the IQ of a gnat. They can still sleep at night despite all the EURO engine bashing and truck bashing they have done over the years.

With the MX they will get to spend a lot of those nights in a Motel waiting for the thing to get fixed!!

 

it wont happen in the next decade?

We are 90%of the way to that being the case?

How do you explain another 10 years ? Its all down to Cummins? Seriously, you think they will be able to make it for another 10 years without the Class 8 market?

Ok so Cummins will have DODGE trucks to put their little motors into, but what about their big motors?

I say 1-2 years and Cummins will be married to someone like Navistar.

 

You mean the motor built in Brazil? Pray tell what part of the European map is that located on?

The power situation is changing rapidly and will continue to do so. OEMs are pushing the "in-house" power choices and the range of options will continue to narrow over the next few years. The days of "Cat/Cummins/Detroit/XYZ" for power choices have gone and aren't coming back....................

 

Gunz you seem to be ignoring Volvo trucks/engines. Yes you can get them with an ISX, which kind of messes with your Navistar/Cummins theory, but their current 13 liter engine has gotten pretty good reviews from its users. Not so much with their big block.

 

Here is my take on Volvo. They are constantly trying to push their own motors. We all know this. But they were not the ones that ever planned world domination. The Swedes have always been more moderate in their view of "success". They are good salesmen and they know we Americans like choices, so they give us choices. Ever check to see the HIGH PREMIUM that Cummins motor would cost you vs. the Green motor? Its just salesmanship that's all.

On the other hand the Germans have no toleration for other influences unless it furthers their goal of domination. In the corporate world substitute "vertical integration" in place of domination and that is the German philosophy. Always has been and always will be.

SO back to Volvo, well the ball is in the court of Cummins at this point. If the new leaders of Navistar can convince them to do a deal of some kind, why would they feel bad at all about having to pull their engines from Volvo and Paccar? Better to follow the lead of CAT and be the puller than take the boot to the curb right?

Come one, you don't think these corporate executives and Board members have egos??

Pacccar will stop offering Cummins motors in the near future unless Cummins pulls them first. If I were a Cummins/Navistar player, I would definitely pull my motors to try to hurt the Paccar folks while they are down and out trying to get their Euro motor up to speed. If you know they will do it to you eventually anyway, why help them along. This is my opinion.

Lets watch what happens with Cummins and Navistar. It will tell us what will happen next.