paper log or electronic logs?

You know that little bumper window sticker that has been out with the kid pissing on another car 's emblem, well I am getting some made up for "OLD SCHOOL" that has the kid pissing an elogs.

 

Sounds like what we school bus drivers are already dealing with: ZONAR, which is a scan system for us to log our time, log our pre- and post-trip inspections, log our child checks, log our location, log our speed, and even log our idle time (despite the fact school buses are exempt from idling restrictions). I'm surprised more companies AREN'T doing that more often.

The key line in your link:

QFMFT. This is most typical at all levels of companies/corporations, unfortunately. Abuse of the employee is more common than pretty much any other type of abuse you can think of. And it's a sad commentary on humanity.

 

The problem with this line of thinking is the assumption that the typical driver isn't a decent judge of his/her capabilities, or is prone to exceed those capabilities to then point of being a danger to him/herself or to others on the road.

The reasons for hours of service are solid:
(1) reduce and/or eliminate accidents and deaths cause by driver sleep deprivation;
(2) reduce the use of illegal substances (uppers/stimulants) so said drivers can keep driving while exhausted (a CLEAR case of serious stupidity);
(3) reduce employer abuses of drivers (which in most cases led to items 1 and 2) by preventing them from demanding drivers drive while impaired due to sleep deprivation.

Personally, I like my life. I'd rather not have it taken from me by either some hotdog driver who thinks he can drive 48 hours straight without sleep while jacked up on speed, or some company that demands drivers to operate that way in the first place because they value profit over human life.

Regulation comes about when one human or group of humans consistently abused other humans, and the rest of humanity finally eventually realizes the costs of said abuse of human life. Regulation doesn't appear out of thin air: it comes about due to demands of the citizens for protection from abuse. And since humans can't seem to do any right thing without some sort of stick to beat them into line, it ain't going to go away anytime soon.

 

How much speed do you take??

:wtf: they do: it's called VEHICLE INSPECTION, we pay for it yearly.

 

It has already happened, from the very beginning of the trucking industry: it took all the deaths and damages from the '70s and '80s to make people realize something needed to be done, lest the death toll continue to climb.

Some people and corporations think human life has no value. The rest of us know better; and there's more of us than there are of them.

 

Oh Lord, this debate again???

 

He11, companies like Walmart and (b)Lowe's have been editing peoples' time in their computer systems (that allegedly was NOT possible to do) for ages, so they could cheat their employees; so it stands to reason that a company would allow such shenanigans, as long as it saved them money.

 

Sleep deprivation getting to you?

Let me know where you are, so I know what area to avoid.

 

You know, back in the dark ages, when a driver refused to drive, he got terminated and blackballed. Other companies/industries were doing the same thing, preventing the fired employees from finding work due to being blackballed. So, regulation came about that prevents anyone or any company from blackballing any employee, for any reason.

Elogs serve the same purpose: the regulate the companies, and prevents them from pushing a driver beyond his capabilities; they also record what the company demands, and afford the driver protection of the law, protecting them from wrongful termination for following the rules.

Conversely, elogs protect the company, by proving the driver was in compliance, or that the driver was not in compliance.

When a company threatens your job, and then threatens to make it impossible for you to work in that industry again, you feel intimidated and trapped. You're stressed and unhappy, and afraid because one wrong move (in your employers' eyes) will land you on the street, unemployed and unemployable because they blackballed you. You lose sleep, your health suffers, and that leads to disastrous consequences. And it can happen in a short period of time. And THAT is a perfect example of being bullied (which, BTW, is illegal--look up "hostile workplace environment).

 

I have an idea!! Let's throw away the HOS, toss the elogs, get rid of paper logs, eliminate safety inspections and regulations, and just let drivers and trucking companies do what they want!! Heck, let's ditch speed limits, traffic lights and signs, and lane stripes while we're at it, because they just get in the way of delivering that load! School crossings??? FAGHEDDABOUDDIT! Them kids can run, who cares if a few get clipped?? And those pesky 4-wheelers, just ram 'em out of the way, they're just road cholesterol.


Wait a second... I think that's how Mexico does things... we're already letting their unregulated uninspected rattledeathtrap trucks into the states, so why not just join them and be like them??

Or, if you just done like US regulations, you can move to Mexico...