PC and paid parking

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Lostmykey, Mar 1, 2020.

  1. HillbillyDeluxeTruck

    HillbillyDeluxeTruck Road Train Member

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    Protip: At Big D the entrance/exit off Wildwood (come up N from Irving Blvd) park on the curb and not in a spot and they probably wont mess with you and it wont cost you anything.

    Also if you get fuel, I think they'll give you a parking permit, and their fuel is pretty cheap.
     
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  3. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    I think you have to separate law and private enterprise here.
    For example why are you running out of time at the shipper/ receiver?
    And if your yard is within a reasonable distance why are you PC'ing. Get a driver to meet you and drive the truck to the yard. Or let somebody else deliver/pu the load to begin with.
    Try to work within the law not try to work around it.
    IOW, do what you gotta do but it's not the laws fault [usually] if it doesn't work out.
     
  4. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    "best" was my word. Take a look at these words from my post #15 >>Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest << I don't see anything "vague" about those words.
     
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  5. DAX_

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    Sounds like a lax company. I remember I was at a grocery warehouse in Houston. Ran on my 14. Parked at the truck stop after. When I called them the next morning they told me I should've waited and they would of had a tow truck come tow me out the receiver. Lmao. Yea ok see if I ever do that
     
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  6. HillbillyDeluxeTruck

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    What? Did you purposely come up woth the 2 most obtuse solutions possible?
     
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  7. Ridgeline

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    Safe haven is a HAZMAT term.

    There is no law, maybe this was mentioned ... this is guidence issued by the fmcsa and is not binding.

    Some idiot drivers asked the fmcsa to comment on PC and they did which just added more confusion,

    Some of you use it as a means to go home or to go to the next pickup but it really is to be used for reasonable travel for personal reasons like food or shelter.
     
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  8. Moose1958

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    I'm sorry, but I can NOT let your comment go without a challenge. The safe-haven thing I agree with.

    However, you will find NO section of part 395 that is a law! Part 395 is found in title 49 CFR (code of federal regulations) and can be changed by administrative means by a procedure that involves the federal register and a comment period. Laws can ONLY be changed by a body like the US Congress. The FMCSA using its authority under title 49 USC (United States Code) (LAW) can interpret the regulations and release guidance. This makes it official and is BINDING for interstate operations. This means a state MUST allow a driver to PC. It is NOT binding on a carrier to allow.

    This guidance was not issued because some "idiot" asked the FMCSA. It was actually a large group of people during a comment period that was asking for help in regard to a problem with drivers being coerced to violate HOS regulations after being forced to leave a shipper etc. These PDFs are several pages and it is getting into the discussion and history of this coercion problem and why the PC guidance was changed last year. The FMCSA has been explicit on these changes and why they were changed.

    Now one last thing, yes I know that drivers are abusing PC. Just like some are rude and take 10-hour breaks in fuel islands. Just because somebody is abusing a rule, however, doesn't make the general idea of this change to allow a driver to get to a safe place to park once out of hours invalid. I am also positive that @brian991219 has dealt with this with the CVSA.
     
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  9. ZVar

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    Technically true, but also false. While all FMCSA regs are just regs, every state has adopted them as law. Some lock, stock, and barrel. Some with modifications.
     
  10. Moose1958

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    It's been almost 8 years since I was last in Dallas. So my information is really dated now. There used to be many places in and around Irving Blvd all the way from I 35E out to the loop to park a truck. If you were careful the cops would not bother you much. Maybe one day I can get back out there and look around.
     
  11. Lostmykey

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    Yes, I understood “best” was your word; that’s why I also said it was a no go for me due to other locations being nearer.

    My interpretation on our companies policy is that I must go to the “nearest” safe haven. Now, how they define nearest, I don’t know. Nearest could easily be straight line distance, truck routing distance, or time. Frankly, I’m not interested in seeing my company define nearest.

    Now if I was allowed to go to a “nearby” safe haven; where I was at earlier had about three that I would’ve said met that definition. The pilot was about 4mi straight line, 7mi driving, and 13min travel time. The QT was 8mi straight line, 11mi driving, and 18min travel time.

    It is also my company policy that if the first safe haven is full and has no parking; that we can continue on in PC to the next nearest safe haven. The nearest one to the Pilot became the Big D Travel Center.

    My interpretation of “safe” is that the parking spot must be legal. Usually that would be in a space defined by lines unless the safe haven had a gravel or dirt lot. Making a spot or parking in some stores lot across car space lines; I don’t consider that to be legal or safe.

    So when it came to one of the nearest being paid parking. If I am under PC guidelines, searching for a safe haven, does that require me to pay to park?

    If I didn’t pay, then it wouldn’t be legal for me to park there. If it’s not legal for me to park, then it isn’t safe. I could go to sleep and wake up to being towed.

    Our log department isn’t open on weekends. I asked them on Monday and they said they would get back to me.
     
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