personal conveyance thread

In other words you and the company have entered in to a conspiracy to thwart the FMCSR's. Your showing up at the terminal after being told they will dispatch you if you "come by the terminal" is an act in furtherance of the conspiracy which then closes the loop of the conspiracy. Shame on you!

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even read a guidance where you can stop and buy alcohol on the way home and carry it in the tractor because you are off duty and unregulated.

Yes sir, you go ahead.

 

Not saying your right or wrong but is it your trailer or theirs?



As for the people driving hundreds of miles after they have burned up HOS. I would suggest a good prepaid legal plan.

 

tazz,

the intention of the rule is not for use after you have burned up your hours.

i dont use it for that purpose, i log it and note it up front. if i have to hand the log to an officer its there. and it is also legal.

if all the other rules have to be followed to the letter. this one can be followed to, some dont seem to like this one might favor the driver.

its basically common sense.

but in a situation like mine where i own the trk and trl. if unload on friday in new orleans, tell em i am heading to savannah to make my kids ball game saturday, i am unloaded , i am entirely legal to run it as personal conveyance.

but i will then log arriving at my home , to establish and end point to the personal conveyance.

i do mine legally.

are some abusing it, there is no doubt.

did you know the mega carriers are pushing for exemptions of being on duty for such things as shuttling trls??? yes sir they are. they fight for eobr and now are trying a backdoor to get around it.

this personal conveyance is like a lot of things, reading comprehension goes out the window. company policy gets confused with regulations.

if they dont want personal conveyance used, take it out of the regs.

and despite their opinion, the reg has no limit listed for mileage.

if you yourself dont want to use personal conveyance , then dont do it. the ones of us that do and do it legally, leave us alone.

so scalemaster, say you pull me over and check my book , i have logged personal conveyance from whereever your state is to savannah,ga

say its 600 miles, when i hand you my log book the second you stop me, and i have shown my intention of personal conveyance and what i have written matches my home address on my drivers license. i can show i own the truck and trailer. i am unloaded.


would you be inclined to give me a ticket for a log violation, since i have clearly established my intention beforehand??

or would i be more likely to get cited if i had only went to on duty and not flagged anything with my intentions?

 

Ah but you see right in this thread people have bragged that they use it specifically because they have burned up available time.

While what you are doing may now be legal my advice on the lawyer would still be sound in case something happened. You log it that way obviously because you could not log it normally yes?

So when a lawyer asks you if you might have shown negligence in driving after you have exceeded what is the industry standard for normal safe operation you answer will be? And you gonna convince 7 out of 12 civilians sitting on that jury?


Yes in the vagueness of the exemption it can be done for now. Yes I expect that to end fairly soon(3-5 years) because as everyone admits there are abuses of it. I forsee the grey area turning black and white.


It would not surprise me the ATA and OOIDA are petitioning for exemptions. Just as it should not surprise anyone public citizen, insurance industry, and even some drivers are pushing for it to become far stricter.

 

""""While what you are doing may now be legal my advice on the lawyer would still be sound in case something happened. You log it that way obviously because you could not log it normally yes? """""

you evidently didnt read my post carefully. i do it that way because in the circumstance i use it in, i am in fact off duty using my truck and my trailer as a personal conveyance home.

tazz, i average only 2000 to 2100 miles a week, i never bump up against my hours.

i stay out 3 to 4 weeks. i cant recall ever logging personal conveyance when i was out of hours. fact is to be honest here, most of these jokers posting have never actually used personal conveyance , if they had they would know it had to be flagged and logged on line 1 anyway.

the thing to do is not get rid of the regulation, but ensure it is being used as it should be.

just as it should be with any other regulation.

 

Where in my post did I even mention having trailer behind my tractor? Don't read more into the post than what was there. And I have never used the truck for personal conveyance when I was totally out of hours. It is indeed a rare occasion when I burn up all 70 hrs before I ever get home for the weekend.

 

We just got a message about this. We are allowed 30 minutes per day personal conveyance. We have E-Logs, and they've put that time limit on it. They say it's while you are not under a load, headed to and from a store, restaurant, etc and then back again.

 

Pretty clever adding your own interpretation saying other regs still apply . That is what you say , not the FMCSA .http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=392.5&guidence=Y

 

but dont get confused about that joseph,

that is your company policy, it is not what the regulation says.

and the purpose is to save up to 30 minutes a day of your 70 hours.

it is no different than some companies not allowing split logging. and some thinking that you CANT be on-duty after 14 hours.

(((( meant to say CANT instead of can)))))