Plus One

Discussion in 'Swift' started by neal79, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. neal79

    neal79 Medium Load Member

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    If the plan looks that tight on HoS I just turn it down and put what I think a good eta would be.Hasn't hurt my miles yet, they just adjust the times or give me a different preplan. As far as I'm concerned let some other sucker take it and get the log violation/sf and all the stress of running all day with 20 minutes to spare. Last few loads have had more generous windows, still tighter than they used to be but generally reasonable if you keep the wheels rolling.
     
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  3. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    I'm seeing fewer complaints about this. Maybe they're working it out finally.




    Either that, or everyone that was going to, already quit over it.
     
  4. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    It's not really any better.

    Now, the PP sends you the time it wants you to pick up and deliver - without giving the customers window(s).

    If you turn it down and give new eta's it'll update to your times almost immediately and ask that you commit.

    Done that a couple times in the past week.

    Then the real load assignment comes in, sometimes with the real window of time.

    If you send the loaded call with a time past your original estimate for delivery, it will kick back a message saying it is later than the appointment time - even if it is well within the window given on the actual load assignment.


    And, I seem to be getting more loads that say 'drop', but are actually live unloads. My last 2 loads, for example.
    So, with a live unload, I could not pick up or deliver the next load within the time frame I had originally given in the declined mac9.


    This system is still screwed up, and it seems to me to simply be screwing with me.
    I am getting to the point of adding several hours to my pick up and drop off times just so I have time for breaks and meals, the 'drops' that are actually live, the hassle of finding mt's, etc.
     
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  5. inkeper

    inkeper Road Train Member

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    Which as we all know is exactly what they wanted to stop with plus one, but they are forcing us to do just that to safely deliver our loads. It's just nuts!
     
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  6. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    So I get a preplan.
    A nice 1450 mile run with plenty of time, at first glance.
    (loaded miles said to be 1374, but when I actually ran it through the gps it was right at 1450 - and who knows what it would have been with the fuel route that I would be given)

    Trouble is, it was too close with the hours I have rolling in.
    Over the time period of the run I would need 29 hours driving time, at an average of 50mph.
    It's a 42.7k load, with a lot of rolling hills, so I figured it at 50.

    Over that period I will have a total of 31.5 hours to work with.
    Figuring in the 30 empty miles, live load and unload, pre-trips, time lost to construction and hills etc, I figured I would be short by at least a couple hours.

    I declined the load, stating in the mac9 that I could deliver at 1200 the day following the scheduled delivery. I was taken off me.


    But, with the e-logs, the system should know how many hours I have and what is required to run such a load. And with a window of only 2.5 hours over estimated drive time it should never have been sent to me.

    I would really like to know the details of the algorithm used to calculate the load assignments.
     
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  7. capthook

    capthook Light Load Member

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    Yes.. always seems too short a window..
    Seems to use 60 mph :-(
    Declined a preplan.
    43,300 live load water run 370 miles. (Dispatched - actual 394)
    Gave a 7.5 hr window.
    It's a 7 hr drive!
    That leaves .5 HRS for the live load and everything else.
    D'oh!
     
  8. Domandred

    Domandred Light Load Member

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    I've got the same problem. Last week I've been stacked so tight that even stopping to pee is pushing a late load. Finally after the 4th tight stack load and rolling the third day in a row to withing 30 minutes of 14 HOS (including one that I literally parked my truck at 13:59 on my 14) I ended up delivering an hour late on a JIT load.

    Nothing I could do about it and I actually rejected the thing twice knowing I wouldn't make it. On my Macro 22 for the late reason I said "you're stacking me too tight I can't even stop to pee".

    Worst part of the tight stupid plus one schedule is it doesn't really seem to be giving me any more miles, just running more hours.
     
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  9. neal79

    neal79 Medium Load Member

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    It probably goes something like this...

    Swift hired some IT guys to create this and gave them a sheet of paper with te HoS rules and how fast the trucks go and an explanation of what they want. IT guys say great, truck goes 62 mph so run 11 hours and you get 684 miles that can be covered in a day. Everyone speeds a little anyways so no problem. Oh and what kind of driver would slow down for something silly like a work zone or a 55mph speed limit. Never had any problems finding somewhere to park my Prius so of course they can always drive right up to the 11. Now we need to find somewhere to get the miles needed for the trip, lets just take them off the dispatch, thats nice and easy and must be right.

    So basically you end up with them using 60mph, underestimating the actual number of miles needed to be driven, no allowances for things like grades or different speed limits in different areas.

    I do know a thing or two about computer programming and so I do appreciate the difficulty of what they are trying to do, but they failed to test it properly. In order to do this right, you would need some sort of program that knows a LOT of detail about the various roads we use or write it yourself. The right way to test this would have been with a fleet of experienced OTR drivers, listen to feedback, make adjustments and keep repeating. Testing it on a dedicated account in OH is useless since at least to me OH is one of the easiest states to run. Generally flat, not too much traffic, and parking is pretty simple to find.

    In the sort term there is one simple way to make things better, just turn back the average speed that it assumes we can do. Knock 5mph off whatever number they are using and you still get fairly tight runs, but ones that you also can be sure are doable. Until this happens all we can do is turn down the impossible and make generous use of mac22.
     
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  10. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    It also has to allow for fuel time, load/unload times, breaks, scaling times (which can easily eat up 1/2 hour or more if you have to re-scale)...

    Sitting in NJ, I get a pplan this afternoon going to Alabama.
    The window for delivery was 0500-0600 on the 28th.
    Figuring my available hours I could make it, barely and if I started at midnight after a strict 10 hour break and no pre-trip, by 0630-0700.
    So I refused it, giving a 1100 delivery time.

    Back it comes again with the adjusted hours I had sent.

    So I accept it.
    The actual load assignment comes in with a delivery window of 0500-1700.
    :biggrin_25510: JUST GIVE ME THE @#$% WINDOW IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!

    So in my loaded call I gave an eta of 1500, and I will get some proper sleep and not be such a danger on the road.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2011
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  11. blsqueak

    blsqueak Road Train Member

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    That is what the problem is with this Plus 1, the computer is trying to maximize our time. Again, might have a good pplan, and have to refuse because of the time that is on the pplan. Send in refusal, and get back a msg, it is good. Then get the load assignment, and everything is different. I am so starting the feel that I am being babysat. I know that I need to do to make money, and leave me alone. Do not punish me for what others have done. As an O/O, I am into this to make money, and yes, there are times, I want to drag my feet, but then, that is my decision. I am happy with 2800 miles per week, and over that, then fine, but leave me alone. I will make that decision how I want to run MY TRUCK.
     
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