Talked to Peterbilt the this morning as there was going to call me, Engineering went through my whole air brake system and did not find any problems.
But they are going to change the shoes to a more aggressive shoe and put new drums on under warranty. They just have to check with the local rep.
This truck has no protection valves in the system.... They said I did not need to check pressure tho brake cans.
Thanks again for your help I have learned alot about brakes in the last month or so !!!
Best Regards
Carl
Poor braking
Discussion in 'Peterbilt Forum' started by CARL HINKSON, Apr 21, 2017.
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Ok, Good. I do have a final question.
I love it when they use the word more aggressive brake. Im assuming your existing pads are cheapie. What do they mean actually by "Aggressive?" Premium pads? Remember Im just clinically discussing the issue at hand, not taking insults or making trouble with that truck. -
I am not using pads, But using shoes with brake linings. I would say more of a semi metallic lining and heavier drums.
Kind of weird I bought as a vocational truck and they know that !! this should have been done while they were building the truck.x1Heavy Thanks this. -
Sir, put the very best you can afford. That is a nice truck and I don't have any discrimination against any truck large or small as long it's not a square cab volvo COE. Anyone who tells you different can scram.
I hope at the end of day you will have a absolute outstanding braking system that will halt the earth's rotation at will. If you managed to get that happen, please consider a protection valve in your Pete somewhere. If you are towing trailer and lose it one day I have a feeling that particular valve will save lives maybe. -
The truck is set up to haul a trailer and as long as I own this truck I will not be hauling any trailers, It has a trolley brake so I am sure there is a protection valve some where if not it will be up to the next owner to deal with it.
I added the set up for a trailer for resale only.x1Heavy Thanks this. -
Well not having any luck with a solution with my poor braking, Went to N/E kenworth they went through everything checked slack adjuster angles ETC. No problems found. Palmer Spring Co. could not find any problems either.
Palmer Spring put me in touch with a with there retired brake guy and had the best answer of the month, He said these new trucks with ABS systems are using low friction shoes cause they don't want the ABS coming on and are a high mileage shoe. And that is what it feels like there is no friction !!!
He made the most sense our of anyone who has who has been involved with my truck, That being said Monday on I am having all new heavy duty drums and Marathon Heat Shield brakes put on my truck and see how it goes after that.x1Heavy and daf105paccar Thank this. -
Next time...........buy a truck with diskbrakes.
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Dam.
Why have ABS then. Toss that. Oh no, don't toss it.|
Other poster has a much much better idea, DISK the thing all the way around. You are going to have brakes so big .... Oh wait, how much you fixing to spend over the howls of protests from your suddenly effermite and weak engineers who are scared for their precious ABS systems???
What is going on over there in Pete? Did they get all weak and wussy these last few years?
Ive tripped ABS in big trucks enough to appreciate them when they work like they are supposed to. But it takes huge amounts of braking to make it happen.crb Thanks this. -
One more thought.
Before you go running off to spend your money on Samson and Sons Braking Parts...
(A cookie for those of you who catch the pun...)
Think about this. You said that the chambers issue 23 pounds pressure average to the braking at the drum. Now I don't know about you but there ought to be freaking like 60 PSI application availible to your service braking backed by at least two tanks packing 120 or more PSI for a while. 23 pounds don't apply &^%$ pardon my french.
Do you understand my position? What are we going to have to do to get that anemic Pete to start marking territory with righteous tire markings that stay for 6 months, ABS or not? -
( How do you measure air presser at the drum ??????????? )
I don't know how to measure pressure at the drum but I measured it at the air can.
I guess you can't read very good, Go back and read my posts, I think you will see that I said was applied pressure gauge is a 25 pounds the actual pressure at the can is 23 pounds.
According to Jeff at Marathon Brakes that truck empty should go into anti-lock at 25 pounds of supplied air. I can bring the supplied pressure to the air cans to 45 to 50 pounds of air to the drums and not get into anti-lock.
There does not seem to be any friction when the brakes are applied compared to other truck I have driven.
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