Potential ELOG flaw - how can they handle this?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Bdog, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    Thanks. Sometimes we do work over 14 hours a day or the pickups are in motion over 11 hours a day. There are only three employees that are DOT certified drivers with med cards etc and they always drive when hauling trailers but other employees drive the truck at times when at the job site and it is not regulated driving. True yes we need to keep up with all hours worked for the DOT drivers to not exceed our 70 but this gadget married to the truck seems like a disaster. There have been rare occasions where the pickup is running 24 hours a day where we split the crew in half and runs day and night shift with all of it being unregulated driving though the ELD would be logging it all.
     
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  3. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    Technically yes, you are correct. I was going for the simplest of explanations that fit his most likely use of PC given they travel away from home for extended periods of time.
     
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    In that case, where different drivers are running the truck and on different shifts they would simply log into the ELD device with their own credentials, which they have to do anyway for it to know who is driving it. You can have a non DOT regulated driver use the ELD just for simplicity of tracking the mileage on the truck. The DOT would only have to see the regulated use.

    I sent you a PM, I think I can help even with this situation and set of circumstances.
     
  5. uncleal13

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    I see your point now. Supposedly there would be a way for, say a mechanic, to run the truck for repair/testing purposes, so there should be a way for others to long on.
    You would have to check with the manufacturer of the elog device. Hopefully the regulators have thought of this and made some sort of provision for it.
    Or your company would just have to give out log-in codes for such occasions.
     
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  6. x1Heavy

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    If you are working with a little vehicle or a big vehicle for a living and being paid for it, you log it. 14 hours onduty and you are done. If the job is not done then you have a problem.

    Enforcement for the little ones is not far into the future. It's coming, at least in Arkansas. They have had enough with the big boys now they are really going to examine the little ones who have been increasingly prosecuted for a bunch of stuff over time.

    Logging into a computer device with your name, is your time. If someone else logs on then its that persons time. We used to do that for a decade or more with the old tripmaster system and wheel clocks.
     
  7. Accidental Trucker

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    I'm going to run into the same issue, since we run under the HOS agricultural exemption part of the time. We also run into Canada, opening whole 'nother can of worms. It's going to be interesting to see how the ELD companies handle all the odd ball situations.

    In the OP's case the easiest thing would be to have an "on duty, not driving" option that could over ride the ELD's programming to kick you onto the drive line when moving.
     
  8. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    The on-duty not driving while in motion won't be an option with a compliant ELD, the parameters for vehicle movement being documented are clearly spelled out in the regulation. The regulators did not take into account operations like his, although his non-dot regulated moves could legally be done on off-duty driving. This would account for the time and mileage the truck is moving that is not assigned to a dot regulated driver.

    For your situation, most ELD makers have accounted for switching from US and Canadian rule sets, and also State specific rule sets. I know the products we plan to begin marketing do have these capabilities and more.
     
  9. Bdog

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    It is my understanding the ELD is the driver's sworn statement of HOS. If he is on duty driving the truck but not regulated because of no trailer how can he legally put off duty driving /PC when he is in fact on duty?
     
  10. Bdog

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    If you are under 10,001 pounds neither the Feds nor any state that I am aware of can regulate you in any way unless you are hauling hazard cargo. There are not hour of service rules for pizza delivery guys.
     
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