Pre emission vs Emission engines

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  1. KullenTrucking

    KullenTrucking Light Load Member

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    Hi

    If you were a new owner operator starting out in today’s times, would it be a pre emission or an emission engine?

    thanks
     
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  3. Cat sdp

    Cat sdp . .

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    Brand new or pre-dpf....... nothing in between but that’s me.....

    There’s plenty of guys on here that do a 30K cascadia........ god bless them
     
  4. Long FLD

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    What’s your budget? How mechanically inclined are you? Do you have the ability to work on an 18 year old truck so the labor costs of a ton of small repairs don’t kill you?
     
  5. Catmando

    Catmando Light Load Member

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    Per Emissions no doubts here
     
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    Budget under 60K. Very basic knowledge of repairs/maintenance, so I’d have a good mechanic that I could rely on. With that said, I’m willing to learn as much as possible. As many things that 1 man could preform on his own.
     
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    Majority of rigs I’m looking at have DD15’s. Some are Cummins
     
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  8. Long FLD

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    You need to at least go 07 and older if you can’t find a solid 03 and older, in my opinion. Anything 08 to about 2016 or so should be avoided. In your budget a DD15 would be right about the point of needing a bunch of work.
     
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  9. Arctic_fox

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    It depends. I went with a low mile 2017 emissions truck and its working so far.But im also moderately mechanically inclined and got a warranty on the emissions systems and engine and have enough computer knowledge to brute force my way through the stupid with a laptop. Honestly there are pros and cons to both.

    For example an emissions truck is unlikely to face bans, you can get them new so warranties are a thing. They tend to get better overall mileage, parts are going to be easier to find in general depending on what motor you get. And you are less likely to get nailed as often by the DOT and are usually a bit lighter. How much varies by truck and engine combo though.

    The downsides is they need to adhere to a STRICT maintance schedule, they are really finnicy on maintaince, you NEED a several thousand davie4 or simular tool to clear minor problems or you will face thousands in towbills and repairs, they have bendex #### built in almost as an afterthought. Def is annoying, computer parts are expensive and they are easy to gernade the electrical systems on. And used ones are a gamble on how much work needs doing to be viable. And they are expensive to buy.

    Pre emssions have the advantage of being able to be fixed ANYWHERE, are easy to spin your own wrench on, dont have all the computer ######## to rely on, are typically easy to get used parts for, are more linient on maintance schedules, and can be limped with minor problems. And can be had for cheap.

    The cons are the current managment is trying to ban "evil polluteing things" via cali style bans and/or introduce carbon credits which may make them non viable soon. They tend to be pretty worn out so finding a good one can be a huge challenge and even good ones are going to have worn out things on them that are likely to break. Some places wont let you haul their loads with an older truck. You almost literally cant warranty them. And DOT may be more likely to harass your old truck then a new one.

    Upto you what set of pros and cons are worth more to you though.
     
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  10. KullenTrucking

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    What work would that be?
     
  11. Long FLD

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    On a DD15 in that price range? Probably a one box system replacement on the emission system. You’re really banking on the previous owner keeping up on emission maintenance and if they haven’t then it’s going to come out of your pocket.
     
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