Question about requesting Broker-Carrier Agreement

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by dis_bit, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. dis_bit

    dis_bit Bobtail Member

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    We own a truck, and operate under another company's authority. Our dispatcher has been caught once lying about the freight rate, and there has been several instances of discrepancy between what the dispatcher has described regarding shipment details and what is actually required. I won't bore with too many details, but I will say that our current shipment is requiring my driver to disassemble then reassemble a crate transporting panes of glass multiple times as this one load has several delivery locations. My driver is receiving no compensation for this labor, and the dispatcher did not advise my driver that this load would be driver assisted. If we request the carrier company send us a copy of the broker-carrier agreement, are they required to provide it? We would like to request that we receive the agreement on all future loads my driver is dispatched on. Are we allowed to do this?
     
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  3. ibcalm19

    ibcalm19 Road Train Member

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    It definitely should'nt be a problem. If it is then it will be a problem. Everything should be written down ahead of time. It will help when that moment comes of "I don't recall". As far as your driver enough of that doing work for free.
    I was hit with that driver assist one time. They were paying lumpers to unload and they wanted me to assist for free. If I don't help they wouldn't unload it. I said it won't be unloaded. The broker asked what did I want to help. The same you are paying them. That was that.
     
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  4. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

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    Who ever is paying you, should provide you with the Rate Confirmation. This confirmation has the details of the load. Which include driver responsibilities and the load pay.
    Good luck
     
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  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Why are you not paying your driver for his work?
    Not his problem you made a bad deal for your company......
    You should be throwing in money for the unload.

    And companies wonder why there is a 100% turnover in this industry...
     
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  6. dis_bit

    dis_bit Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the responses so far... To elaborate - we own a truck, but my father, the driver, currently operates it under another company's authority. This other company has assigned our truck to "Bob," who is the one accepting the loads and dispatching our truck. "Bob" does provide my father, the driver, with the rate confirmation; however, time after time, when my dad arrives to pick up the load or deliver the load, the load details on the rate confirmation do not represent the reality of the job. We want the broker-carrier agreements, the whole contract, between "Bob" and the broker, so we can determine whether it is "Bob," the various brokers, or the shippers who are misrepresenting.

    "Bob" has been caught out, once, absolutely lying about a freight rate on a rate con before. The company my dad is currently driving his truck for takes 12% from the rate provided to the driver. My father took a load that "Bob" sent a rate con stating was sold at $4200. When my dad arrived to pick up the load, the shipper happened to ask my dad what the rate con was. When my dad said $4200, the shipper laughed and literally pulled out his phone and dialed the broker on speaker RIGHT THERE, asked the broker what the job sold for, and my dad heard from the horse's mouth the the rate was actually $8400. When he called "Bob" to ask WTF, "Bob" feigned ignorance then refused to send the broker-carrier agreement. When pressed, "Bob" corrected the rate con, tried to blame it on the broker, then on the factoring company, before finally just refusing to discuss it at all. Like, if it is brought up, he hangs up the phone.
     
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  7. scoobertdoo

    scoobertdoo Medium Load Member

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    I would ask for a written rate con on every load.
     
  8. keebler13579

    keebler13579 Medium Load Member

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    Sounds like its time to find a new carrier
     
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  9. dis_bit

    dis_bit Bobtail Member

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    We have less than a month until my dad has the one year experience pulling a step deck required by the company we want to apply to... That said, if ya'll have carriers you'd recommend, I'm all ears. We do have hazmat qual.

    *** edit to add: my dad has 10+ years pulling dry van, and several years pulling tank, belly dump, and other equip for the oil fields. He has a great record.
     
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  10. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    The first thing that needs to be asked is this

    what does your contract say about accessorial fees?

    does it include a break down of labor charges or exclude them altogether, because if there is no mention of them, then the driver in many cases won’t get them no matter what.

    No, they are not required to give you the agreement.

    however they are require to give you the actual freight bill they send to the customer on request, be it a broker or a direct consignee.

    this is under 376.12(g), lease agreements.

    also just to add to this, your arrangement with all the parties involved seems to be a bit odd, go to one company and stick with them if you don’t want your authority. Landstar is a good place for a step deck.
     
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