Question for the Scalemaster

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by KANSAS TRANSIT, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Will be closing the deal on 10 Freightliner Cascadia tractors tom. They are in Va. I am in Ks. I do have driveaway plates and can/will get them on my fleet ins. policy before they are picked up.

    However, what about IFTA, Placards, etc?
     
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  3. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    If they are moving under their own power (being driven) they need everything. Markings, IFTA (copy of yours), log books, CDL, med cards, etc.
    The only thing different would be the driveaway plates.
     
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  4. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    OK, trucks are single axle units, with no registered weight (until I get them home) I thought IFTA was 26,000 or more with more than two axles? I am also confused about markings, how can I have company markings on them if I haven't even registered them in this state?

    Kansas will not give you a registration without a VIN check done "in-State"

    Log books,CDL,Med card, all that stuff goes without saying, these will be my company drivers picking them up, so all of that is good to go.

    Thanks Stan
     
  5. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

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    Uhm stupid question Stan...... why don't you have a driveaway piggyback and transport them to you?

    No drivers,
    no plates,
    no worries.......
     
  6. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Good question, any idea on cost?, could they do two stacks of 5 trucks each? Name of any one in particular that you could recommend?

    Thanks Stan
     
  7. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    You're correct KT, IFTA is only crossing state lines with 26,000 lbs or more GVWR or 3 or more axles. Then you would need a temporary permit.

    The moment you tag them vehicles they are engaged in commerce and the truck is considered the freight. So FMCSA rules apply.
     
  8. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    OK, single axle power units. No, they will not require IFTA until they are registered or weigh over 26,000#.

    Condo, FMCSA rules apply to all commercial vehicles when they are in operation (being driven/towed). Tags have nothing to do with it. These cascadias are being purchased and driven to Kansas to be put to work in a trucking operation. They are commercial all the way.

    When they are in driveaway operation to further a commercial enterprise the rules apply. When they have wheels on the road, they are not freight. If they are being hauled on a trailer, they are freight.
     
  9. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Thanks guys, appreciate the info. I will be looking into the cost of having them saddle mounted. How many trucks can stack?
     
  10. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    I've seen 4 for sure stacked, but it depends on the sleeper height. Send your guys out with a couple IFTA sticker and license copy, a sheet of paper with your name and DOT# like the driveaway outfits do, and you should be set. When I transported my Columbia's with reefers from MN to FL, that's what I did. FL had issues as well with VIN checks before issuing a TOP, so I had to use the driveaway permits.
     
  11. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Something to consider, which I am sure will start a controversy, is the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.


    Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV): A motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle: 1) Has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds inclusive of a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds; or 2) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds, or 3) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or 4) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which require the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous Materials Regulations (49 CFR 172, subpart F). (49CFR383)


    These vehicles are not in service, so therefore, are not subject to the rules per their own definition.
     
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