Refresher course for hours of service?

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  1. Frank Speak

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    The best advice you've been given so far is to read the regulation from the FMCSA for yourself. Don't overthink the rules. Log as you go and you'll be fine. It's the guys that try to skirt the rules, or knowingly misuse their logs that mostly find themselves in the crosshairs of the DOT.
     
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    Technically all duty spent at receiving or shipping is onduty.

    How many guys spend their clock on duty at the unloading or loading?

    Or did that change recently?
     
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    If you want to call 2004 recent...
    So no, it hasn't been even part of the guidance, much less regulation since then. Simply being at a shipper/receiver does not mean one has to be on duty.
     
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    It was posted on this forum a couple years back.
     
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    It was wrong then just like it is now. The regulations never stated one has to be on duty just by being at a shipper/reciever. The guidance did at one time, but like I said, that was changed in 2004 to reflect what the regulations actually say.

    And before you start on the "it was posted" b.s., show anywhere in a current official document where it's on duty just by being at a shipper/reciever.
     
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    On my tanker, if I am participating in the loading/ unloading process, I stay on duty.

    If I am told to just stay in the truck, or go wait in the break room, I am either in the sleeper or off duty . And I'm pretty sure I am legal in my logging.
     
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    Again that guidance changed in 2004. It no longer valid. Just because you found a random website that is wrong doesn't make you right, it makes that random website as wrong as you are.
    Let me rephrase. Cite an official, current regulation or guidance. Not something that changed in 2004..
     
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    Every question eventually devolves into
    A: "my trainer said/did this ..."
    B: "The regs say this", or
    C: "here's how I do it..."

    If someone is asking about the regulations, answers A and C are not relevant, only B. Someone's employer or trainer or some cop may give an answer that follows the regulations, but the word of an officer, trainer, etc are NOT THE REGULATION. Maybe they agree with the regulation or not, who cares?
     
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    Dang dude

    Google it yourself. And research the forum. I showed you 2012. The forum posted 2012. But you show nothing abiut 2004

    You need a refresher course.
     
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