Running Above the Governor

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Injun, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. Hardlyevr

    Hardlyevr Road Train Member

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    Just for clarification there is governed speed, and then there is the engine rpm governor. Most trucks today with the lower number gear ratios aren't going to get past 2100 rpm in top gear til they are doing in the mid 80mph range or so. But it is easy to go faster than the governed speed if it is set in the low to mid 60's.
    The ageless advice, you can go down a hill a zillion times too slow, but you can only go too fast once!
     
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  3. blackw900

    blackw900 The Grandfather of Flatbed

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    That's the kind of bulls__t you hear when you have people that don't know how to drive a truck trying to teach other people how to drive a truck!
     
  4. striker

    striker Road Train Member

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    <<zips flame suit>>>
    okay I'm going to take a beating for it, but depending on the hill, I do this all the time. My truck is goverend at 75 mph, if I'm empty, or lightly loaded, I'll let it run on certain grades with the CC set at it's max and the jakes on. Usually the jakes will let it go about 8 above when the cruise is on, but I leave my brakes alone, and I'm also watching traffic as well. If there is a lot of traffic, I'll keep it down at the limit, if there is no traffic, I'll let it run a little.
     
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  5. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    As long as his jakes are keeping him at the speed limit where is the out of control coming from by simply being over the company's arbitrarily set number in the computer?

    When nearing the bottom of a hill most guys I know go ahead and let the speed move back on up towards the legal limit when its safe to do so.
    This guys truck is no more out of control by being 10 over the gov than if his truck is ungoverned and he was running 75.
     
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  6. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Which circumstances are you referring to with this statement?
     
  7. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    I will differ with you on this point. If you do not have a governor and you still have throttle at 75 mph, there is nothing wrong with cruising down the hill at 75.

    However, even with jakes engaged, if you have no throttle left, you also have nothing left to pull a wayward trailer back in line with. If (as said earlier) some external force causes your trailer to sway, what are you going to use to give it a little tug and pull it back in line?

    Some here will say they'll use the johnson bar. All well and good unless you don't know how much trolley brake to use and, again, circumstances. Too much johnson bar and you will have a rollover. (For those who do not know...and there are a few...the johnson bar controls your trolley brake.)
     
  8. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The braking force will be much stronger than any thing the motor produces when it comes to terms of "pulling the trailer back into line".

    And on dry roads what is causing the trailer to "come around"????????????????????????

    If on ice then the driver had no business of going 75!
     
  9. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    If you are talking about a mountain, nobody has business going 75 mph down it. Those speeds are for flat straight ground.

    I never tach my truck over 1700. You are asking for trouble if you wind it out going down hill. Tach over speed is a good indication how much the trailer is pushing the tractor. Don't let things go that far and you don't have to worry about emergency actions.
     
  10. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Simple physics will prove you wrong on the first point, but I'll start with the second since it comes first in the scenario.

    A driver for Knothead Trucking has a truck governed at 65 mph. Thinking he will make up some extra time he spent in Rawlins, he chooses to let the Sisters help him out a little. (We'll use a nice, long, straight hill) He's running a reefer trailer, so he's a little heavy. We'll say 42K in the trailer.

    As he's going down the first of the Sisters, he's lettin' her roll, has an eyeball on the road ahead and checking his mirrors, everything looks pretty good. Since he's in Wyoming, we'll say he gets hit by a pretty good gust of wind unexpectedly and has to steer into it a little bit to stay in his lane. As a result of his corrective steering, which we do thousands of times every day without even thinking about it, his trailer responds in like manner. It sways a little. Seeing this, he tries to hold it steady, but it's going out a little more than he's comfortable with.

    He tries to steer back the other way just a little teeny bit to get that trailer back in line. At the instant he's trying to pull it back in with the steering, he feathers the brake pedal. This engages his tractor brake, but there's a half-second delay to the trailer brake because the air pressure needs that little delay to build. Since the trailer is three times heavier than the tractor and it is already in a sway as the brake engages on the tractor, it continues its arc and becomes a real problem.

    Newton's Law of Inertia tells us that an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. Due to the gust of wind, the rear of the trailer is no longer in line with the unbalanced force (tractor brake) required to stop its motion. Since Knothead Trucking decided to govern its trucks and this driver was in a bit of a hurry, there was no force available to realign the heavier object behind the lighter object which actually contains the necessary unbalanced force to stop the two. As a result of that lack, the heavier object (rear of the trailer) spins around the slowing lighter object (tractor) and causes either a complete rollover or a jack knife. Either way, at 75 mph, this driver and anyone around him is likely dead.

    Had he been a couple miles an hour under his governor, he could have goosed the throttle a little, pulled the trailer back in line and then feathered the brake. However, when he hit the brake, the trailer was already moving to the side and he had fewer choices available to him to correct the motion.

    Regarding ice, I won't go into the number of supertruckers I've personally seen hauling tail on ice. Ice isn't even part of this discussion.
     
  11. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Just stay to the right so we can get by is all we ask....

    Most of the drivers I have seen loose it, did not know how to control it to start with and I don't think speed had alot to do with it.

    Look at the way they whip trailers backinto the right lane, tailgate, etc.... There are way more dangerous things these inexperienced drivers are doing. Down hill is usually self curing... Boom...
     
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