You did just quit, you said you quit them after 3 month's. This is not even long enough to know how the company works. You should have at least given them 6 month's.
I agree 100% with talking to the driver's......they are a company's best redruiter's. As for statistic's how could they lie to you about a company if the number's are looking good and other's are doing well.
Your opinion is what this board/forum is for. But I believe you could not give an honest opinion of the company after just 3 month's and to top it off you were a brand new driver also.
No it is very doubtful if you would have done anybetter (just starting out) with another company.
The more training the better for any "Green driver's" another reason why you should have tried to stick it out.
I don't know personally how long Scheinider's school is, but I am guessing it is not too long 6 weeks maybe? Then you have to train with another driver for so long. Then you get to hit the road on your own. I mean working for a freight hauling company is not that hard. They give you a load, and you drive it from point A to Point B and get it there on time.
How is this, you are only allowed to drive 11 hours then you have to take a full 10 hours off. I know realisticly you have to get something to eat and take a shower also. but 3 hours sleep? C'mon now if you were driving as a team then you had to have more than 3 hours to sleep.
You still had 14 hours left out of the 22 hours you claimed you did not sleep.
I have to agree some company's will give a solo to many hours to do load's. But as a team every 11 hour's your shift was up for 10 hour's.
You say not to go with Scheinider, BUT you say you can't tell a better company either.
You say also to go local that you will make more money on the hour. How is this?
The only avantage to a local job versus's a OTR is you may spend less time in truckstops plus money so maybe this is how you think any local job in any crappy city will pay $17.00 a hour.
Two rule's to remember is "Keep the left door closed and the wheels turning and you will make money" while hauling freight.
This is called TIME MANAGEMENT this how all the other driver's that are successful make money. It is against the law to work more than 70 hours per week period while driving a truck.
Not all lie to you, there are many out there that do, but not all. Even if you think they lied to you how would this get you or other's killed?
Yes this job is dangerous, but if you do the job and do it right and legal then there is less a chance to mess up.
I would be curious to know what you think they lied to you about? What did you think it was going to be a leisure job? Did you think it was going to be a vacation? Driving is hard work only if you make it hard. I mean yea it is not all rose's either, but a job is only what you make it to be.
I can't blame them one bit for not trying to get their money if you quit them only after 3 month's they have their right to do it.
As for them being desperate for sending you info to get you back to driving for them. I don't think it is them being desperate, as much as them trying to do you a favor.
Walmart is a "good" job but it is not the best either, it may have been the best for your step dad. I commend him for sticking to them for 15 year's. It is hard to find many driver's at all that stick with the same company for that long.
I hope you will post up what you think you were lied about.
Anyway's good luck in whatever venture you try, drive safe!
Schneider National Carriers - Green Bay, Wi.
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Second of all, everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some are more credible than others. In MY opinion, and I don't entirely care if you asked for it or not, YOUR credibilty took a nosedive with flying off the handle the way you did.
Does the truth hurt? -
I am a nighttime linehaul driver who's home every day, and I sometimes have trouble sleeping in my own bed, let alone a moving truck. Sometimes I only get about 3 hours of sleep myself, but this is the penalty one pays for being dumb enough to work the night shift. -
MACK E-6 said:Now, to be fair, I can somewhat corroborate his statements about sleeping difficulties.
I am a nighttime linehaul driver who's home every day, and I sometimes have trouble sleeping in my own bed, let alone a moving truck. Sometimes I only get about 3 hours of sleep myself, but this is the penalty one pays for being dumb enough to work the night shift.Click to expand...
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But if you want to find out about a company, talk to the drivers. Not someone that looks up statistics. Not someone that "thinks its a good place" because of numbers. Hell i just got on here to give my opinion, not to be told i'm not cut out for something.Click to expand...
You took my criticism all wrong and completely out of context, but at the same time revealed to me that you are a bit of a hothead, because of your reaction to what I offered. But here's the thing....what makes your opinions any more valid than someone else's?
But to tell ME THAT I am not cut out for something, well is just as ignorant as me saying that your a typical backwoods truckdriver.Click to expand...
So think what you want, take my advice or don't, but dont talk #### about people you know absolutely nothing about. Delete this postingeven if you want, i'm not sitting around letting some yahoo talk bad about me or my wife!!!!!!Click to expand...
Like I've said before....Schneider or ANY company for that matter, is not going to be perfect for anyone, and the same thing goes for drivers. Some drivers will never be able to fit in anywhere as well, no matter how many companies they try. -
This post is because of what Turbotrucker and Mac E-6 said. It has taken me 3 days to type it because I have had to reword things to not sound rude as well as delete cuss words. It is lengthy but I will try to defend all my comments and even an opinion or two. I was just trying to help some poor sap from being yet another Schneider victim. Instead of people taking what I say as an opinion, they decide instead of just either attacking my thoughts, taking it out of context, or flat out being rude NOT ALL but a couple of lines were rude. Although this is a lot of fun, Im trying to keep from the name calling and cussing that Im sure the webmaster would not appreciate. First off Im going to try and say all this without being rude so I hope no one really takes it that way, I can be an ### if I want to be, so I have to remember that before I speak but I also am going to be BLUNT not to be rude, but to defend what I have said with intellect and not just speculation like some.
How is this, you are only allowed to drive 11 hours then you have to take a full 10 hours off. I know realisticly you have to get something to eat and take a shower also. but 3 hours sleep? C'mon now if you were driving as a team then you had to have more than 3 hours to sleep.Click to expand...
As far as LYING to me. Your dispatcher or STL will NEVER ask you to run more than what you feel is safe to run. It is ALWAYS your decision. You should never feel pressured. Well first off, even my TRAINERS said that would happen more than once. We even watch a video of some poor sap in a wheelchair wishing he would have spoke up rather than trying the run. And another older man who had been trucking 30 years who faced jail time for falling asleep and running over a bus full of children. I flat out refuse to do anything that would have jeopardized my wifes safety. Its been a few years since I drove, and before that I was a server at a restaurant. I would go party until 8 or 9 in the morning, go home take a shower, then go back to work by 11. There were many days I got no sleep and even more where I got 2 hours or less. BUT the worse thing that could happen to me at the restaurant was for me to cut my finger or something cutting produce. Driving took more alertness. I was not that great when I first started, then I got to be a zero error driver. Yet after I got out of training, I was getting less and less sleep, then I was making a ton more errors. I even almost let the trailer side swipe a car in some construction one night.
This is called TIME MANAGEMENT this how all the other driver's that are successful make money.Click to expand...
Not all lie to you, there are many out there that do, but not all. Even if you think they lied to you how would this get you or other's killed?Click to expand...
You say not to go with Scheinider, BUT you say you can't tell a better company either.Click to expand...
You still had 14 hours left out of the 22 hours you claimed you did not sleep.Click to expand...
What is that, a 36 hour day? Not too many of those were I come from. I woke up with my wife for the first day, the company said they would have the truck cleaned. Got there and it was not. So they said that they would give us a hotel room for one more night I said great. Come back the next day and it was still not cleaned. So they told us we had to clean it, so we did. That truck was so dirty and nasty that it took us 8 hours of scrubbing just to make it half way decent enough to sleep in. Which brings me to the other point they lied about. We got this crappy run down Fleetwood that broke down right after I tried to pull out with a trailer. They said the teams would get a newer vehicle. No big deal except the people I graduated with got better trucks than we did. One guy got an almost new Volvo. Back to the point. I tried pulling out the trailer and the fifth wheel breaks. That has to be fixed. The blinker goes out, that has to be fixed. They even had to change some other stuff just to make it street legal. It is now getting close to 10, we had told the people we would be ready for our first load at 7pm. The truck is finally ready to go towards 2 or 3. The trailer they assign us isnt even there. They assign us another one that another truck is hooked up to so I go inside to try and get another one and they say that that one is not even there. Ok so give me another one. Finally I get one but it is now 5 am. I woke up at 7 am the morning before. This is what I meant by 22 hours of no sleep. The both of us had not slept. How could we. We had to wake up to clean up a stupid freakin truck that should have already been ready. You cant sleep in the cab while the truck is in the maintenance bay, so what am I suppose to do, sleep in a chair? Even if I could, what are the chances it would be a good enough sleep to count?
What makes your opinions any more valid than someone else's?Click to expand...
You did just quit, you said you quit them after 3 month's. This is not even long enough to know how the company works. You should have at least given them 6 month's.Click to expand...
You say also to go local that you will make more money on the hour. How is this?
The only avantage to a local job versus's a OTR is you may spend less time in truckstops plus money so maybe this is how you think any local job in any crappy city will pay $17.00 a hour.Click to expand...
Walmart is a "good" job but it is not the best either, it may have been the best for your step dad.Click to expand...
Now this is the only time I'm going to mean to be rude. I have heard some of these statements time and time again. You guys seem to think I am flying off the handle or
You took my criticism all wrong and completely out of context, but at the same time revealed to me that you are a bit of a hotheadClick to expand...
What did you think it was going to be a leisure job? Did you think it was going to be a vacation? Driving is hard work only if you make it hard.Click to expand...
In response to Mack E-6s post, Im sorry I hurt someones feelings.
First of all, don't talk that way about TurboTrucker. He did absolutely nothing to provoke being referred to as a "yahoo". He's our friend, and I will be the first. and certainly not the last, to take offense to unwarranted attacks on his character.
Second of all, everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some are more credible than others. In MY opinion, and I don't entirely care if you asked for it or not, YOUR credibilty took a nosedive with flying off the handle the way you did.Click to expand...
Too rude, not rude enough, you decide!
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The other week there was an ad in the paper for a job that paid 17 dollars an hour; I am assuming they were going to pay me that. If they, however, did not do such, than that would just prove my point about companies lying to you.Click to expand...
Have you worked for Walmart before? My step dad had the possibility to obtain almost 1 million in retirement and stock options. He never reached that because he was force to retire due to health, but still, he has enough money for retirement. He had a dedicated run to where he got to be home every night. No one messed with him, and he could IDLE as long as he wanted to without penalty. His truck was even able to do 70. I cant see a better job. I would have done it.Click to expand...
As for you making trucking harder on yourself, I believe you already answered yourself as well. Trying to drive with 2 or 3 hours sleep. Getting up out of bed because you could not sleep and going out and helping your wife load a truck, knowing you would have to drive in 10 hours or so.
There is so much more I want to write but I am not going to because I think it would just make you even more upset.
I wish you the best in whatever you attempt in the future. I don't like to see "new" driver's give up so quick and return to there ordinary jobs. I alway's like to see "new" driver's succeed in this industry, and be able to get better jobs so they can make some really good money.
You can't expect to come into a "new" carreer and make top money everybody has to start at the bottom. We all have been there at one time or another. My first driving job I made .10 cpm teaming(10 years ago), I owed the company a couple of times, I eventually quit them and got a better job. But I could not do this without any expierience. -
Do not worry about upsetting me as I have said what I needed to so if you still feel the need to critique what I have said, than it is my fault for not explaining my point of view enough. If you have an opinion that can sway me, I am listening, because I dont think its going to happen, but I am curious. It is impossible to offend me and I do get riled but only if it sounds like something that needs to be responded to in such a way. I do not want anyone telling me I can not do something, that is all. If you were the first person to say what did you think it was going to be a vacation? I might have just gone nah of course not. But I have heard this time and time again for years. My trainer was cut out for over the road, because he flat out told me his wife prefers him gone. Some guys I made friends with in the training said they prefer to go out because they were in the military. They cant stay at home. I decided that this was not the get rich method I thought it was. I did not think I was going to make a fortune, I was just calculating what the recruiters told me. I think we were making .28 cents a mile as a team or something like that. So yeah I know I had to start at the bottom, just like every other job I have had, but when I did the calculations, the one thing I was unaware of was how much it cost to live on the road. Even with eating sandwiches out of a cooler, we still now and again had to get a hot meal. We spent 16 to 20 dollars a trip to those truck stops!!! So much money was spent as a matter of fact, that I have never stepped foot back into a truck stop. However, all this said, it is not that I could not do the job locally, but you are right. They DO go for people with more experience. Which I personally believe is a mistake, I believe the person should just do a road test to get the job and they can decide from there! I am in no way saying I was a perfect driver, I just know what I saw on the road for the short time I was out there. That is due to the Schneider training. I think there training was good. Is it better than anyone elses? Not sure. All I know is that there were some training companies that wanted me to pay twice that amount and go to another state for 6 weeks. Anyway that is all I meant by that I could have made 17 dollars locally, if I would have stayed truck driving at least one year. So yeah I took a few shots at people, but thats because no one knows me. They have no idea what I've gone through to try and make a career out of something. Driving is actually the only thing I've ever been able to do. I can, now, drive anything that has wheels and tons of things that dont! my family called me and my wife crazy for trying to be truck drivers saying that its a stupid career. So we did it in spite of everyone else. And the work is not what ended up getting to me, it was the things that I didnt count on such as not being able to sleep in a truck. When I was a kid I could fall asleep in a car within a matter of minutes and I could sleep in a car after a long period of time after I grew up. So maybe all this will explain why I will defend what I say the way I do, if I am wrong, I will definitely be the first person to admit it.
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in june of 04 i had taken a position with schneider national bulk...pulling tanks.
anyways i had taken the job predicated on filling a position on a Safety Kleen dedicated account out of Buffalo, NY(my residence) that would get me home every night. Well i started the job and loved it decent benefits...real good pay...and may days i was home eating supper with my family by 5:30pm... anyhow about 8 mos into my employment i was climbing down form the top of the tank after closing the hatch and slipped from the third rung on the ladder and landed t-boned between the trailer and a curb ...luckily i was ok all i did was suffer some bruises on my back and my booty. anyhow as instructed i placed my call to dispatch and safety and informed them of the incident....they asked me if i was able to continue driving and i responded "yes i am alright" so i was allowed to continue anjd ordered to take the following day off and go to the occupational health clinic. the next day i did just that and the doctor had told me there appeared to be some tenderness and i should probably take some time off just to let it heal. he took me off work on a week to week basis after the third week i went back to see the doc on my weekly visit and expressed to the doc that i was the father of four boys and that workers comp was just not covering my expenses and he agreed to put me on light duty. so i excitedly placed a call to my dispatcher and was informed that because there was no terminal in buffalo...and in order for me to fulfill my light duty detail i would have to report for work at coreoppolis, pa which is 276 miles form home.....so i agreed only to find out that no transportation there or room and board would be covered ....therefore putting me in a position where i had no choice but to resign. evidently 2 weeks later i was cleared to go back to work and applied for a few jobs where they told me schneider had clasified me as a no rehire due to work refusal!!!!! it was an extremely disheartning occurance since i had always done the very best job that i could for schneider. so before you join the orange in any facet or division rethink it!!! -
To begin with it is common practice for trucking companies to put a "light duty" driver to work at a terminal. They are not obligated to pay for the motel room...
I can see Schneiders position as far as the work refusal position but if you did your job satisfactory they should not have put a no rehire on you.
Have you talked to SNI about it?
In fact this is one of the reasons I do not like large companies is that they tend to lump employees into catagories and treat the people like numbers...
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