Semi-Tractor "Tractor" pulls

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  1. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Being as they were in the same general area I wondered? Did the same company make them for BCIII's also. It was around 2004.
     
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  3. spsauerland

    spsauerland Road Train Member

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    Ask owners of CM2250 ISX that had to have complete engine replacements due to ceramic plungers shattering in high pressure fuel pumps and trashing the whole lubrication system on the engine how great ceramics are! Mack used them in there intake and exhaust cam followers and I have seen many of them disenegrated wiping out cam and making mess of lubrication system. Ceramics don't tolerate impacts at all. They have their applications, don't personally think internal combustion engine is one of them. Coatings work only if done properly.
     
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  4. SmokinCAT

    SmokinCAT Road Train Member

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    You throw out instances of failure yet you dont mention the ceramic plungers in N14 injectors and links used in STC injectors that you never hear of failing.

    We will disagree on coatings, a coating company will never heat a piston up enough to simulate the expansion of the material at operation temps.
     
  5. SmokinCAT

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    The only heavy piston they offer are for the 3406, they have some smaller engines but no other heavy duty.
     
  6. SmokinCAT

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    There are even protective paint coatings that are ceramic based these day, and likely work extremely well as they aren't subject to the thermal expansion like pistons would be.
     
  7. WildTxn

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    Rest assured that if those ceramic products were failing, there was either some engineering corner cutting going on, or a plain and simple manufacturing defect. Engineers are only allowed to design within the financial parameters set by their boss, who is usually ruled by a "manufacturing inexperienced" board of directors elected by an even dumber body of stockholders. They probably farmed out the order to be manufactured in a third world country.

    Take note that most of those so called tough metal parts all diesel engines are assembled from are machined with ceramic metal cutting inserts now days! I once used them all the time. The "whisker re-enforced" ceramic inserts are designed for and perform extremely well from my actual experience in interrupted cuts cutting HARDENED steel parts that a long time ago could only ground. These are interrupted surfaces with holes and key ways in them. It's like hitting the sharp cutting edge of that ceramic tool 100 times a second with a hammer! Yet they still hold their edge, produce very accurate dimensions, and outlast any other known tooling technology. Ceramic inserts are used almost exclusively in machining the modern super alloys jet engines are made out of because they are they only tools that will hold up. Matter of fact, the latest jet turbine blade technology uses solid ceramic.

    It's really all a cost and corner cutting issue when it comes to using ceramics in diesel engines. Modern technology has developed way beyond any challenges imposed by the toughest diesel engines.
     
  8. Tug Toy

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    I think they collect the the smoke in a filter system now believe it or not?
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  9. spsauerland

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    Yes Celect injectors use ceramic metering plungers and check valves and work great with low failure rates. But if a failure occurs it is contained within the injector, not allowed to freely enter lube system and be ground by geartrain and enter pan like ISX. The series 60 used ceramic rollers and they seemed to hold up decent. Ceramics do not like impacts point blank. If you drop it, might as well through it in the garbage can. If you look @ a Mack service manual, it strongly cautions/warms if rockers are bolted down without completely backing off lash adjusting screws, you will fracture a roller. That is why engine braked and internal EGR macks have spring loaded push tubes. Celect injectors have zero lash in the valve train and Series 60 are the same way. If memory serves correctly HPI-TP injectors used titanium plungers if I remember correctly... Very possible I am wrong. As far as coatings, I like the OEM one of phosphate for intial lube in rings lands and graphite on skirts. I wouldn't recommend a company in PA to coat your BC piston crowns. Not really needed these days with steel monotherms anyway.
     
  10. Justrucking2

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    :biggrin_25521:

    That certainly takes all the fun out of it. :biggrin_25516:
     
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