Shipping empty Hazmat drums

Discussion in 'Hazmat Trucking Forum' started by racing191, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. racing191

    racing191 Bobtail Member

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    Sometimes I have to pick up empty drums that fall under Flammable 3 when full. When empty, we ship them as hazardous, but they have dried residue on the outside and smell terrible once in the trailer. Normally around 1,200 pounds with the pallets (5).
    I’ve been told by my supervisor it’s a non issue??! Seems to me, it would be a huge issue, if pulled over by the DOT. Anywhere on the internet does it back my supervisors side or mine? I personally want to refuse taking them, but don’t want to lose my job. I work for a huge LTL company.
     
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    motocross25 Road Train Member

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    You’re right in regards as still identifying them as HazMat even though they are empty. As far as the condition, man I dunno. I’d say that’s drivers discretion and if it’s too bad, hell with them. Refuse to pick them up until they clean em up. I mean the one thing you got going is it’s not corrosive lol
    @MACK E-6 & @Bob Dobalina are my go to’s for LTL help. I just kinda wing stuff, they actually know what they’re doing.
     
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    racing191 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks Bud! Stay safe
     
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    That should fall under “residue last contained” in my opinion.
     
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  7. Bob Dobalina

    Bob Dobalina Road Train Member

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    I appreciate that, but I'm definitely still learning and this situation is a tough one.

    From what I understand, only empty bulk containers are required to be placarded even if they are under the required weight (1,001# in this case for Flammable 3). Drums aren't "bulk" so there's that part. However, he's saying the total shipment weight of all the empty drums is 1,200# and I remember being told that the total weight counts even if the hazardous material itself inside weighs less than 1,001#.

    I would think that particular shipment requires placards, but I'm gonna have to consult my hazmat guru at work tonight.

    I was in a similar situation many years ago working for a non-hazmat carrier and without a hazmat endorsement. I picked up a few empty forklift batteries, which probably totalled well over 1,001# even without the liquid inside. I was assured it was cool, and I took them. I would certainly think twice about doing that now.
     
  8. mustang190

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    If you are hauling as many as you say then yes, placards are required and it should be the same as the drums, UN1866.
    It is no different than the tank I pull, when I unload if must keep the placards on until it is washed out.
     
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    So it would appear there will be a need to placard the trailer with Class III, Flammable.
     
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    I consulted my guru. He said yes they are placarded due to the total weight and the fact that there's residue of the material still in the drums. They need Flammable 3 placards. UN# placards are not necessary because they aren't in "bulk packaging" as defined in the regs.
     
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