Split sleeper with KT landed me a violation

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  1. Alexmx

    Alexmx Bobtail Member

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    Hello, I've run into a weird situation where I got a violation with KT even though it worked fine with Qualcomm in the past.

    I've basically taken 8 hrs in SB in Canada, which gave me hours, drove about 4 hrs or so, did another 2 hrs in SB and the clocks for Canada and USA were showing I have hours to drive. As soon as I crossed the border, KT marked my Canadian driving hours in red and popped up a violation that read "exceeded 11 hrs of driving time" or something along those lines even though the clock was still showing that I have the USA driving hours I was expecting.

    Has anyone encountered anything of this sort before or could explain what happened here? I looked through fmcsa and there's nothing obvious to me as to why this shouldnt work. If I'm in Canada, I'm covered by the Canadian HOS so why is KT flagging my Canadian driving time with a USA violation?

    Thanks in advance
     
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  3. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    Because you need 10 hours off duty before crossing the border.
    You need to consider that you are on USA regs from the last off duty before the crossing to avoid a penalty at the border.
    I found that following US rules if I am on a load crossing the border keeps me from running afoul of the regs on either side if the border.
     
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  4. Alexmx

    Alexmx Bobtail Member

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    I understand the 10 hr break requirement but if the rest conditions were not met, the USA clock would've read 0, but instead it showed the 11 hours minus the time I drove in Canada between the 8/2 hr breaks
     
  5. ZVar

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    Can you give us the times including the previous day? Without that it's hard to say if the issue is kt, or simply a miscalculation.
     
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  6. Alexmx

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    Here are the logs for the two days. The driving status marked in red was done in Canada and the clock did infact say I had the 13 hours I was expecting to get after the 8 hr break. I've also taken a screenshot but unfortunately only of the USA cycle at the end of the day
     
  7. ZVar

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    What it looks like to me is a miscalculation on your part...
    You started at about 3:30 am. That means to hit your 14 hour window at 5:30 pm and cannot drive after that. (US rules).
    Taking a split isn't valid as the 14 window is already used up, so there is no extending it with a sleeper at that point. You need a full 10 to make driving after that valid.

    At least that's what I'm seeing. I'm sure someone else can look at it and see if I'm correct....
     
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  8. Alexmx

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    That makes sense if I was extending it in the states, but when I started driving at 0330 I was already in Canada for awhile so the state's rules don't apply, but at the end of the 2 hour break, my understanding was that because the 10 hours were split, the us clock reset with the starting point being 0315 when I finished my long break.
    Thank you for trying to help though.
     
  9. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    A split doesn't reset your clock. It pauses it. Only a full 10 hour break resets your clocks.
     
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  10. aaronpeterbilt3787

    aaronpeterbilt3787 Medium Load Member

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    You do not need 10 off before crossing the border. The only time you do is if you have violated US hos while remaining compliant on CDN hos. I have split my sleeper birth countless times while in Canada, and crossed the border with zero violations. There is no law or guidance that states you must take 10 off before crossing the border.
     
  11. 2004Pete387

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    You are right. He miscalculated the hours.
     
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