Stop Temporary Foreign Workers

Just stop feeding the troll.

We all know there is no "upside" to the TFW program, it's bad for Canada and it's bad for Canadians.

 

Hmm, let me see..........

TFW replace drivers in trucks so companies don't have to increase wages to keep drivers long term.

TFW replace staffing due to "shortage of workers" Tim Hortons, but suddenly there are many more Tim Hortons locations. Often wondered why suddenly almost all the front end staff at my local Tim's were all from the same small island. But hey, coffee is still cheap right?

TFW replacing regular staff at Royal Bank of Canada, presumably so RBC can record even higher profits after having cut staffing costs...........

What we really need here are TFP.

Temporary Foreign Politicians..........let's replace Harper with someone like Australia's current PM. And get some real work done around here.

OP

 

Hi guys, I have no intention of hi-jacking your thread I just see certain similarities in what you are experiencing and what we have seen over the last eight years, while we had no real choice but to allow other Europeans to arrive and stay permanently to work because of the common market area "which is what we signed up for".

It seems strange that Canadian immigration would allow foreign workers to land even if only temporary to work while they pay unemployment to Canadians who could do the same job, maybe I am missing some information!, at some point the wages were obviously higher I get that!, the country experienced some growth which created a shortage in all trades, is this right? I take it that because of the shortage they had to hire from abroad and in doing so filled the gap, now from what I understand the country is still experiencing growth only at a more elevated level mostly due to the US demand for Canadian goods and oil.

How were the Canadian drivers displaced if demand was so high? is the immigration system so poor in that regard that there is no correlation between agencies to identify the problem and stop migration if necessary?.

If there is still driver shortage then how is it hard to get a job that pays well?, I see jobs advertised with salaries ranging from 4000 - 9000 per month, surely one cannot advertise with a rate of pay that differs from what you will actually pay!, today there are 1880 truck driving jobs advertised in Alberta alone! are these jobs really that bad that Canadians will not take them?

We are now in recession, the need for drivers from abroad is long gone however most of the foreign workers can remain permanently get all the benefits of social housing, unemployment and some utilities.
It would be such a pity to see your country suffer the same fate.

 

Unemployment benefits are very short-term in Canada. Most unemployed people in Canada are not eligible for unemployment benefits. No employment benefits are paid to an employee who quits or is forced out (constructive dismissal). The Government of Canada recently made it much more difficult for anyone to get unemployment benefits. The social welfare system in Canada is being dismantled.

That is not correct. Canada is de-industrializing. Manufacturing jobs in Canada are being shipped to China. Canada now has high structural unemployment.

The topic in this thread is Temporary Foreign Workers. There is indeed no correlation between the number of workers required in Canada and the allotment of Temporary Foreign Workers or immigrants for that matter. Temporary Foreign Worker numbers and immigrant numbers are political decisions that have nothing to do with the actual number of people required in Canada.

In a dream world perhaps. The trucking industry in Canada is notorious for advertising pay that is twice what the actual pay is. Some of the jobs you may be seeing advertised for $9000/month are oilfield service jobs where the "trucking" is only incidental to the main job, which may be sucking carcinogenic fluids out of a slop tank with a noisy vacuum unit at -35C. Most oilfield service jobs in Canada are seasonal and by no means permanent. Employment in the oil and gas industry goes up and down with the price of oil and gas and the free flow of capital. By the way, there is no problem finding Canadians for jobs that pay $9000/month, no matter how terrible or impermanent the job is!

Trucking jobs advertised in Fort McMurray usually pay only slightly above (or slightly below) the (very high) cost of living in Fort McMurray. The half-decent trucking jobs are not advertised and Canadians are fighting each other for those jobs.

 

Thank you for your comprehensive reply Runawayscreaming,
"Unemployment benefits are very short-term in Canada. Most unemployed people in Canada are not eligible for unemployment benefits. No employment benefits are paid to an employee who quits or is forced out (constructive dismissal). The Government of Canada recently made it much more difficult for anyone to get unemployment benefits. The social welfare system in Canada is being dismantled."
This way of dealing with the unemployed has many benefits, it helps prevent the type of welfare state that we have here in Ireland or the UK where generations of the same families never have or never will work, coupled with the fact the fact that you can arrive from any country in Europe work for a brief period and then become unemployed and claim unemployment and housing benefit! I know it sounds crazy right?.
"The social welfare system in Canada is being dismantled"
Why are they dismantling it?.

"That is not correct. Canada is de-industrializing. Manufacturing jobs in Canada are being shipped to China. Canada now has high structural unemployment."
So capitalism is actually killing the economy?.

"The topic in this thread is Temporary Foreign Workers" Sorry I did not mean to go off topic, I thought it was relevant to my question.

"There is indeed no correlation between the number of workers required in Canada and the allotment of Temporary Foreign Workers or immigrants for that matter. Temporary Foreign Worker numbers and immigrant numbers are political decisions that have nothing to do with the actual number of people required in Canada"
Wow, reform needed very quickly for the benefit of everyone!.

"The trucking industry in Canada is notorious for advertising pay that is twice what the actual pay is"
How very sad, are there no unions for transport workers?.

"The half-decent trucking jobs are not advertised and Canadians are fighting each other for those jobs"
This is true of any country in the world, unfortunately we cant all get the Great job that pays premium but somebody still has to do the mid or low end job, is this the area that the Temporary Foreign Worker fits into?.

Great forum by the way.

 

The problem isn't FINDING "Canadians for jobs that pay $9000/month" the problem is finding Canadians WORTH the $9000/month. So what's your secret to finding QUALITY drivers, how many have you hired in the last two years, how long did it take you to find them and how many duds did you go through before finding good drivers?.

 

this.

we have ~40 ppl on the schedule

in the 20 mos ive been here, 100+ have come and gone, some after 1hr, lots 2nd day, most longer.

theres only 6 with more seniority than me.

 

What's the main reason for the turnover?

 

say 50% of them dont make it 3mos...some never been at a camp job before, not used to not being home, some dont like the job, some get pissed at getting shifts cut cuz theyre the new guy...when i train them, i tell them prepare to lose 6 shifts your first yr...they dont like it and leave

the other 50% that been there avg 1yr...most got lower paying jobs closer to home or went oilfield (at the wrong time, lol...5 of those guys sat alot at their new jobs)

5 guys went CN, most regretted it

i sat here 10 mins trying to think of ONE longer term guy that left for something better, i cant think of one...there were promises elsewhere, but the grass wasnt greener, although a good 30 guys left cuz of a foreman

 

That goes for the whole western society, not only Canada.