Swift reportedly part of flight from owner-operator leasing in California

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  1. loudtom

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    Then everyone is the boss, because there's a giant circle of how that money connects us. The consumers are the boss, the producer is the boss, the logistics company is the boss, the government is the boss, the taxpayers are the boss, with the taxpayers being the consumers and the cycle repeats.

    I don't consider myself the boss of a company because I shop there, considering I'm the one with the money.
     
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    In some ways, you are right, but you are looking at it too broadly.

    The ones with the money that they are offering for goods and services is making the decisions. The one making decisions and offering value for goods and services is the boss.

    Anyone can be a 'boss' in that definition, if they have money and want something.

    Real life rarely provides black and white answers to questions about complicated phenomenae.
     
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    If I take my truck to the shop, I have the money and make the decisions on the work done, but I'm not their boss.
     
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    well technically you are...like when i take my personal vehicle in for service, I RULE, as I AM PAYING that bill, and if they want a satisfied customer, they had better do it my way.

    when i go grocery shopping, I RULE as well......and so on and so forth..

    once we take our money elsewhere, they suffer, not ever me nor any other consumer.......
     
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    The consumer is the ultimate boss of the economy as far as products go. If there is a demand, work is there to supply the demand. When the consumer no longer wants that product, the supply becomes greater than the demand and everybody sits waiting for more demand.
     
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    It may go beyond that. Was listening to Landline on XM when this ruling first came out. An O/O with his own authority based in California, running broker freight, could be considered an employee of the broker.
     
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    The effects this has beyond trucking will be interesting too. If you’re a contractor building a house you won’t be able to sub out things to other contractors.
     
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    Agreed. Tho i will add one point. I get to pick my customers without answering to anyone or checking their approved customer list.

    Your last paragraph. I agree with you they went to far. Where i stray is....They’re kind of saving us from ourselves. Look how many Lease purchase guys have gotten completely screwed over. & some company’s (FedEx being the one in my head) dictate color of truck, color & size of all lettering on the truck, make you wear a uniform, and i would bet control your routing as well. <<<This makes you more or less on the same playing field as a 17yr old highschool kid delivering pizza. Yeah the kid owns the car, but he’s still an employee.


    Legally park your truck on the sholder of the road in front of your customer and let me know how fast LS Fires you....i mean Cancels your lease. Lol they can’t fire you.

    Now being honest, i liked that policy, except for the fact it can make maximizing your hos a lot harder. ( i got over that pretty quick) My real thought in orientation was in court they will loose. That policy is treating the contractor as an employee. You can’t do that. Of course in the end even if you won a court case what would you gain? If they were forced to bring you back, you’d be gone again in no time.
     
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    Yes, you are. If you say to do the work, it gets done. If you decline, it does not. If they do more or less than asked, you can take your business elsewhere, if you choose.
     
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    CA might have had good intentions, but I think we all know where roads paved with good intentions lead to.

    There are a whole lot of economic ideas that look wonderful on paper, but are hideous in real life. Ask your average Venezuelan what they think of Socialism.
     
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