Tandem placement and turning radius

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  1. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    Again that was only an example. Someone might feel they're a safe driver. But really they've only been lucky.

    Your two threads are things I learned the answer to in my first 90 Days of having my CDL.

    Perhaps you might ask your safety department for some refresher training.

    Maybe my opinion is skewed due to a really good training department at Stevens Transport and other companies don't go to the lengths they do. To create safe and well trained drivers. So drivers like you are left in the wind. Trying to figure it out for themselves.

    If so. I apologize.
     
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  3. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    If you think you are so knowledgeable, why don't you give your opinion on the answer to the question that I wrote in post #60?

    I never asked for your opinion on my driving ability. The thread is not supposed to be about me. The thread is about trailer swing, turning radius, and offsetting.
     
  4. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Tail swing is never a benefit. It’s a danger, compounded by the fact that it’s always on the blind side.

    Sliding your tandem forward or back is what affects your maneuverability. Too far forward and tail swing can become a problem if you don’t allow enough room on your sides. You’ll basically need a straight line to get in and out of any place.
     
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  5. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    It's simple physics, something anyone who has ever seen and understands how a teeter totter works should be able to understand. Ever learn about a lever or mechanical advantage? Do you understand how a pry bar works?
    Graduate high school?
     
  6. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    You directly addressed my question without any sarcasm. You didn't make your response about me. Your response was about the control of the CMV. Good post.

    You said that the tail swing is never a benefit. So that means that you don't think that tail swing to the right is how sliding the tandems forward helped me get the rear of the trailer past the guard shack. You are saying that sliding the tandems forward helped me by increased maneuverability. So as far as my question in post #60 goes, did I get this increased maneuverability by reducing off-tracking?
     
  7. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    The guard shack was on the inside of the corner, what the tail is the trailer was doing is irrelevant, only the track of the tandem mattered, and a shorter wheelbase meant less off-track.

    I don't see how you figure the trailer swung right if you shortened the tandem while in a left turn. The tail would swing left as you backed up.
     
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  8. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Look....first I backed up. Then I slid the tandems forward. Then I drove forward past the guard shack. The tail would swing right as I drove forward because I turned the steering wheel to the left.
     
  9. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    That’s correct.
     
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  10. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Thank you. You are really good at getting to the heart of these matters and answering the questions. With many posters, everything is a big guessing game, but you're good at making things clear. You would probably make a good trainer.
     
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  11. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    You did clear up the question of whether it was trailer swing or reduced off-tracking that helped me to get the rear of the trailer past the guard shack. That's true.

    I do have a better understanding of the scenario in the OP now. However, I still don't understand everything about the scenario of the OP 100%. I still don't know if what FLD wrote in post #61 is correct.

    I will write what FLD wrote in green text. FLD wrote the following in post #61: "Good lord…sliding your tandems ahead makes it akin to pulling a shorter trailer. The same with any trailer, once the tires get past the obstacle you’re good to go. ."

    I don't know if what FLD wrote here is correct. FLD says that once the tires get past the obstacle, you're good to go. Now, I know that usually, once you get past the tandems, you are good to go because even with the tandems all the way forward, the center point of the tandems is still only about 8 or 10 feet maximum from the rear of the trailer. But FLD makes it sound like getting the tandems past the obstacle is the decisive factor, which I don't understand. Wouldn't it be possible to hit the trailer against the guard shack at a point on the trailer behind the tandems?

    Do you agree with FLD on post #61? If so, why are the tandems the decisive factor?
     
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