The Great Logbook Scam

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by The Ancient Mariner, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. The Ancient Mariner

    The Ancient Mariner Bobtail Member

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    Dieselbear - Many people believe, and successfully fight the Gov't from this position, that the Constitution does not mean, and has never meant, that the wages paid to a person in exchange for his labor, is the definition of "income". People feel, and a Federal Court has agreed, that peoples wages were never meant to be taxed; that a man's wages are not "income". A man's labor is his "possession", to be sold or bartered away or withheld from the labor market, as he sees fit. Income has been defined in the courts as money received from sources other than a man's labor. Example: You buy a house for $50,000 and later sell it for $100,000. You made $50,000 profit without performing any labor for it - that is "income".
    If you perform labor for another person or company, you trade or barter your possession for another commodity, called "money". You did not have any financial gain, you traded "even-Steven". That is not income.
    Just as if you bought the house for $50,000 and then sold it for $50,000, you experienced no financial gain - you pay no taxes. You had no "income".
    If you value your labor at $10 per hour, or $25 per hour, and "trade" it for "money", you have experienced no financial gain so it is not "income".
    If you own stocks and bonds and receive dividends for their use of your money, you performed no labor for those dividends, therefore you have "income".
    These are stories people never hear about because the Gov't a keeps a lid on them. They don't want the general public to know that some people are successful in fighting the IRThe Gov't "leaks" stories about Mr. Joe Schmo who was just sentenced to five years in prison for income tax evasion, and those stories hit the papers just before April 15th tax filing to put the fear of God into those citizens who are about to fill out their tax forms.
     
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  3. amsn

    amsn Light Load Member

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    Interesting post n welcome
     
  4. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    Unless you're one of Obama's buddies or are legally exempt, you will pay taxes or face the consequences. This advice here will only get you in trouble regardless of whether you think it's Constitutional or not!

    The IRS can and will confiscate your property and/or throw you in the pokey for not paying your taxes. Just the same with the DOT regs, you will end up paying heavy fines and end up unemployed if you try to use those tactics.

    Good story, but in the real world, it just doesn't fly!
     
  5. lonewolf4ad

    lonewolf4ad Road Train Member

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    Well that's the biggest crock of $h1T I'e read in a while. If there were successful cases of fighting the IRS based upon the constitution then these rich/famous people who fight the IRS wouldn't be losing. I mean come on you think a normal worked can afford a better lawyer than somebody who makes more income in a month than most of us in a lifetime?
     
  6. M.Enterprises

    M.Enterprises Medium Load Member

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    Not true. Capital Gains is indeed, income. Under the IRS tax code, it is taxed a different amount than income. I think the fact that they are taxed differently is what is confusing to you. Then again, you might just be trying to drop some jaws.

    If you are paid $10/hour you are generating income. I don't know how you could possibly imagine it any other way.

    "Joe Schmo" or more accurately, Wesley Snipes, was sentenced for violating IRS codes. He was not sentenced for failing to pay income taxes. Same with Mr. Schiff.
     
  7. M.Enterprises

    M.Enterprises Medium Load Member

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    They are not losing for the reasons of failing to pay taxes. They tend to win those cases. What happens is it turns out that 25lb. book the IRS loves is something that pins most of us down to lengthy prison sentences. If it was just about paying taxes, the code could be written on less than 5 pages. They get convicted on dozens of counts of violations. Everything from failing to file to filing incomplete infomation to not informing IRS agents regarding changes of address, ect.
     
  8. 20kk

    20kk Bobtail Member

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    So it is like saying that I do not need to count the calories that I eat (income), if I grow and prepare the food myself. Your chance to labor is at the expense of the others that provide this freedom. Are you saying that the state has no costs that should be borne by the individuals that operate within its borders? I would have a much easier time with your argument if it was about inequities in the application of the rules to everyone than this sophistry. I am; however, glad to live in a country where these ideas can be discussed openly on a site that is not controlled by the government but by the moderators who are in turn looking out for the greatest numbers of consumers of their product.
     
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  9. M.Enterprises

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    There are alot of people trying to repeal the 16th amendment and it is really quite annoying for them when people say that there is no income tax law. It is a law, however if you have a good attorney they can get you off the hook. The problem is that they cannot get you off the hook if you fail to file or violate another one of the 70,000 codes that none of us has time to read. Not even digging up johnny cochrane will save you when you clearly broke 600 laws.
     
  10. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Sounds like a good way to meet you next cell-mate. Your not going to find any DOT cop thats going to care that you think your civil rights are being violated, while you are clearly in violation.

    You you want to test this crap, that what the Supreme Court is for. I believe there maybe some concerns for rights to privacy issues, but there again thats up to the higher powers.
     
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  11. M.Enterprises

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    They would refer to state's rights. Game stays the same. Log books are like seatbelts. The Feds can't tell you to do it, but your State sure can. Same with scale checkpoints themselves. If it came down to Federal Law, it is unconstitutional for scalehouses to exist with the intent of stopping drivers at random and searching their vehicles. At the state level, this has been challenged for the general public in the case of DUI checkpoints, but has no bearing with commercial vehicles.

    Have your papers handy, Ancient..or the Nazi machine will get you in your sleep.
     
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