That's kind of what I'm getting at, dude may not need to "log" just time card it with records. I'd also like to see all 8 days worth of logs for said driver.
Total Hours Available Tomorrow
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Rif Raf McQ, Jun 18, 2012.
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Okay you missed the question.
I am simply asking why dot is instructing us to subtract 70 hours from line A which is 7 days prior including today. When you calculate it this way it doesn't tell you the true hours actually available. If you still have a paper log book, look on the instructions or on the recaps and it will instruct you to calculate this way. Which IMO is totally wrong and this is what I'm trying to prove to my boss about this guys hours. -
When your diesel boss craps out on you for a day you will be totally lost on how to actually do your logs
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Yes this driver runs out of the same terminal 365 days a year. This is a local company but does not fall under the 100 mile rule.
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Good to know. Sounds like you guys may want to spend some time just filling out the summary of hours and getting comfortable with it. I made a presentation once upon a time to teach my company hours of service. Nobody paid attention and/or cared about it but it was helpful in understanding the summary. With that being said, you aren't required to fill the summary of hours out. You could just run the recap (previous 7 days) and add it up every day.
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Thanks for the Reply

Okay I do see what you are saying but why wouldn't it say that on the instructions like it does in the recaps. My boss is real particular about rules and I can't make him understand and he won't acknowlede it until he sees it in writing. It's extremely frustrating to try and explain this when I don't have written proof to show him. I'm trying to show him that this guy is out of hours and needs to sit on the side lines until he get gain some hours back. But boss says you can't prove it since after midnight this guy gets 10 hours back so he is fine, NOT!!!! -
Get an E log and your problems are solved.
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http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.3
Hours of service of drivers
§ 395.3Maximum driving time for property-carrying vehicles.(a) Except as otherwise provided in §395.1, no motor carrier shall permit or require any driver used by it to drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, nor shall any such driver drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, unless the driver complies with the following requirements
1) Start of work shift. A driver may not drive without first taking 10 consecutive hours off duty;(2) 14-hour period. A driver may drive only during a period of 14 consecutive hours after coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty. The driver may not drive after the end of the 14-consecutive-hour period without first taking 10 consecutive hours off duty.(3) Driving time and rest breaks. (i) Driving time. A driver may drive a total of 11 hours during the 14-hour period specified in paragraph (a)(2) of this section.(ii) Rest breaks. After June 30, 2013, driving is not permitted if more than 8 hours have passed since the end of the driver's last off-duty or sleeper-berth period of at least 30 minutes.(b) No motor carrier shall permit or require a driver of a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle to drive, nor shall any driver drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, for any period after'(1) Having been on duty 60 hours in any period of 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; or(2) Having been on duty 70 hours in any period of 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week.(c)(1) Through June 30, 2013, any period of 7 consecutive days may end with the beginning of an off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours. After June 30, 2013, any period of 7 consecutive days may end with the beginning of an off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours that includes two periods from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m.(2) Through June 30, 2013, any period of 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of an off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours. After June 30, 2013, any period of 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of an off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours that includes two periods from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m.(d) After June 30, 2013, a driver may not take an off-duty period allowed by paragraph (c) of this section to restart the calculation of 60 hours in 7 consecutive days or 70 hours in 8 consecutive days until 168 or more consecutive hours have passed since the beginning of the last such off-duty period. When a driver takes more than one off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours within a period of 168 consecutive hours, he or she must indicate in the Remarks section of the record of duty status which such off-duty period is being used to restart the calculation of 60 hours in 7 consecutive days or 70 hours in 8 consecutive days.[76 FR 81188, Dec. 27, 2011]
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NOT!!! When your e-log breaks down then what are you going to do?
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