transmission binding up??

Discussion in 'Peterbilt Forum' started by roscoe3, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. roscoe3

    roscoe3 Bobtail Member

    I'm new here, so please bear with me. I own a '86 359. recently had it painted and a bit of custom work done on it.Since I got it back, I have been pulling a reefer unit. What happens is when I jack knife the trailer to back in to a dock, the transmission will refuse to shift into reverse or first. After a bit of coaxing and a lot of cursing I manage to get it in gear.They welded a rear bumper in place on the tail of the frame and the welds are now cracking. Any input on the root of the problem? Thanks
     
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  3. ampm wayne

    ampm wayne Heavy Load Member

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    It my be in the clutch not the transmission.

    If it does it when you are stopped and trying to put the transmission in gear and it has a lot resistance and grinding it is probably a broken clutch brake.

    If it only does it part of the time it is something else. If it is the clutch brake it will grind every time when you are trying to put it in gear from a complete stop.

    Clutch brakes are a fairly easy fix. Less than $100.00 for the clutch brake and an hour or less to change.
     
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  4. white wolf

    white wolf Light Load Member

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    like wayne says sounds like your clutch brake it will only get worse to the point you will have to turn the truck off to get it in reverse
     
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  5. white wolf

    white wolf Light Load Member

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    As far as the welds I would jump on whoever did the work and make them fix it
     
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  6. 379exhd

    379exhd Road Train Member

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    I wouldn't. If he screwed it up once hell screw it up again. I would make the original shop pay to have it reworked by a better welder.
     
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  7. cetanediesel

    cetanediesel Medium Load Member

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    :laughing3: That wouldn't be soo funny if it weren't true.
     
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  8. 379exhd

    379exhd Road Train Member

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    :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I've delt with enough broken welds over the years. If you can't weld it right the first time, you ain't touching it again. I have 1 shop I have weld aluminum and that's Truck equipment service co in Lincoln, NE they build cornhusker 800 trailers. And I have a guy my dad used to work with weld my iron he lives about 40 miles away from me. I trust his welds with my life. He Lincoln locked an 8 3/4 dana 80 for a friend of mine. After 2 axle shafts, and about 40,000 miles not to mention all the times crawling and off roading his welds are still holding strong:yes2557:

    Recently is the key word I'm going off of. Trucks get beat to hell going down the road, if it were welded 5-10 years ago I could see it possibly be cracked by now. Recently is a couple months or less in my mind. So no there's no excuse for those welds cracking.
     
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  9. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    OP,
    What concerns me is that you say "when I jack knife the trailer to back in to a dock, the transmission will refuse to shift into reverse or first".

    Normally, this would likely be a clutch brake problem, but if so, it would grind or refuse to engage whether the tractor/trailer was straight or angled (jack'd).
    Does it grind when trying to get into reverse or first, or is your shift lever simply refusing to move into gear with never a sign of grinding?
    And are you saying it shows no problem engaging when your truck is straight?

    The "only when jack-knifed" issue calls for "deeper thought". The tractor/trailer angle should have no bearing, in other words.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2013
  10. roscoe3

    roscoe3 Bobtail Member

    Thank you all for the input. Yes KW Cajun you got it pretty much right. It only happens at an angle or in an unlevel situation. Bobtailing is no problem, so I am assuming it has something to do with adding trailer weight to the frame. When they welded the rear bumper on to the frame, they removed the cross member that tied the tail of the frame together, could this have an affect on the frame, not allowing it to flex enough and binding the drive line or some thing that affect the transmission. I have had it grind in the same situation some of the time. It just simply refuses to go into gear. The clutch is new, so assuming the install knew what he was doing, a broken clutch brake is not the issue. I have about 500 hours on this truck since I got it back. I'm leaning toward the frame binding, I can also hear a clunk,( like a spring shackle pop) coming from the transmission area, this happens at slow start out speeds in lower gears, mostly when I have a trailer attached.
     
  11. rbrtwbstr

    rbrtwbstr Road Train Member

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    If they removed a cross member, and you have broken welds, I would be checking the frame and engine/ transmission mounts thoroughly. Also check cab mounts. If the truck is an 86 model the cab mounts would be suspect.
     
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