Two Drivers one truck

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by firecatf7333, May 25, 2013.

  1. firecatf7333

    firecatf7333 Light Load Member

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    Me and my brother are thinking of getting a truck and had a few questions. The business is a partnership.

    Does the truck get 1 DOT # and 1 MC #, or do we both need those for ourselves?

    Same with IFTA, does the truck report IFTA or does the individual?

    Also, For a log book, do we each have individual logs are does the "truck" have 1 log book.

    Do we report/file our log book with anyone on a regular basis, or only show it to a DOT officer when asked for it. When a DOT asks for it do they file the info in the log in a record?

    Also, do you have to keep logs for year end tax purposes?

    Thanks
     
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  3. Blind Driver

    Blind Driver Road Train Member

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    If you see two lot lizards walking thought the parking lot holding a cup, just move along.

    But seriously....

    The truck gets the numbers, each driver has a log book, keep the last 7 days of logs in the truck and the rest get sent to the office.
     
  4. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    IFTA and DOT numbers are assigned to the truck . Each driver needs his own log book . A DVIR needs to be filled out for the truck and trailer each day .
    You really need to learn a lot more about required documents and record keeping before you even start thinking about buying a truck .
     
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  5. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    You log as team drivers, each with his own log book. You need to study how teams log.
     
  6. marmonman

    marmonman Road Train Member

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    I would say based on your question that the both of you need ALLOT more time in trucking before you try this little adventure in my opinion .
     
  7. bigjoel

    bigjoel Road Train Member

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    Never go into business with family or friends.

    You will end up hating each other, and ruin your relationship.

    Their isn't enough money in it for two people and one truck, unless running teams.
     
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  8. MrMatt

    MrMatt Light Load Member

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    I agree. family/friends and business do not mix. you should give urselves some more time. that aside, where are you going to get the capitol to run the business on for the first 5 years? do you know anything about sales? or do you know anything about how to run a business? plus where are you going to get the loads from? and how do you plan getting the brokers to pay you? plus for the first 24 months your in business. the d.o.t. and the fmcsa are pretty much going to be living with you. that means. your first 4 years of income are spent. by the time you hit the fifth year. it's time to replace the truck. so you have to figure out as you go from day one. how much your going to need in 5 years to buy another truck. plus you still need money to live on. you have to keep atleast $10k cash in the bank at all times to cover the maitance of the truck. plus permits, fines, and other unforeseeable things. the mc/icc and the d.o.t number are for the business. and not the truck or the driver. ooida is the best ones to talk to about getting the legal end of it together. they are built to help o/ops get started.
     
  9. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    From my experience getting back into trucking and teaming with my brother (he's an O/O) we found that you can't double the income to the truck as a team. Expect about a 160% increase in revenue compared to a solo driver. The reason you can't get 200% more revenue is because it's almost impossible for each driver to log 11 hours behind the wheel during a 12 hour shift (if you are splitting the day into two 12 hour shifts) on a long run. With fuel breaks and rest breaks you will average about 9-10 hours, and much less if you have deliveries, pick-ups, or you are waiting for dispatch.

    The company you work for is also critical. Some companies are geared toward team driving and may have a lot of "drop and hook", so you might be able to approach that 200% increase over a solo driver. However, many smaller companies may say they will maximize miles, but they often are dispatching loads that for delivery appointments in 3 days when a team can get there in 2 days. That was often the case when I ran team with my brother. Usually we would arrive 8-36 hours before an appointment and would have to wait, or we would sit and wait for a new dispatch. We usually had a 34 hour restart every week because of this.

    This 160% increase reality is what prompted my brother and I to split up. He's still O/O with the company he's leased to (but looking for a better situation) and I've hired on as a company driver (in training now) to get my year of experience under my belt to start looking for greener pastures and my own O/O situation.

    I agree that the questions posed in the OP seem to indicate both of you need to either get more experience or do a lot more study before taking the plunge to buying your own truck. Read through the O/O section of this forum and do your homework. Have at least $20-30K in the bank AFTER you buy your truck and set aside $0.13 per mile for your maintenance account. Nothing will put you in the poorhouse quicker than having insufficient funds to deal with a major mechanical breakdown, especially if you break down while loaded. Many companies will charge you for any costs associated with having another trucker come get your trailer and make delivery if you can't get to the appointment on time.

    Good luck!
     
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  10. firecatf7333

    firecatf7333 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for the replies. I don't want to get into the economics of trucking or team driving, brokers, payments etc at this time. I have a unique situation.

    Thanks for the info on IFTA and Numbers, which is what I thought.

    I'm reading up more on the log book. You have to have it on you at all times just for the DOT man/ check points? Do my hours logged in the truck go on file somewhere? Let's say I drove for the year and never got checked for my logbook, would I have to send it into anyone? I would be working for myself.

    thanks again
     
  11. CDL1968

    CDL1968 Medium Load Member

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    I agree 100%!

    If you want to be an O/O you need to learn a lot more about the trucking industry.

    If you are interested in someday owning/co-owning your own trucking company. I would recommend finding an on-line degree program in transportation & logistics or at least a degree in business or business operations.
     
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