Upcoming UAW Strike

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by ducnut, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. Magoo1968

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    I saw a video awhile back stating that Tesla got millions of dollars from other manufacturers mostly dodge for their emission and fuel mileage credits which helps keep their prices down. PS thank cafe standards for manufacturers building nothing but big vehicles that are easier to meet the standards on.
     
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  3. FLHT

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    Dealer parts come out of Sparks Nevada.
     
  4. TheLoadOut

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  5. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    R&R, I normally always agree with you & I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you now but........

    Look, there's a difference between making a good living at a good job with good benefits etc. But the auto workers have gone way beyond that. They're already making $40+ per hour & nothing wrong with that if the industry can internally or externally support that. But the auto workers are now wanting a 40% increase... 40%! Plus get paid for 5 days while only working a 4 day week! That is truly insane. Beyond good benefits & wages. But its not just that, as I noted above, its not so bad if an industry can sustain that but the auto industry can't. This is a world wide industry where it affects the economy. When it starts affecting the economy & everyone else's livelihood, now its a problem. It becomes a national problem... and world economy problem. This ain't just about the UAW. Its about getting the whole nation out of whack. Its about putting the nations citizens livelihoods in jeopardy. It don't just affect the auto industry, it affects the indirect industries until it has the economy is headed into destruction.
    What's going to happen when auto prices get so high that, say 85% of the people cant afford a car... or at least a new car? If there are no one to buy the cars, cars wont be sold. If they cant sell them, they wont build them. If they cant build them, now we have a couple of million+ people, both direct & indirect jobs who wont be working. That will hurt this country & the economy even worse. And, believe me when I repeat what I've already said, the auto industry cant back up the UAW contracts so it cant go but one way, & thats up. UP can only do one thing, increasingly hurt the economy & drive this country deeper into despair.

    As I noted earlier, car prices will continue to go higher & higher until nobody... or at least the majority... cant afford a car, which is where we basically are now.. certainly on the verge of that. Greedy automaker profits & greedy UAW workers are seriously having an affect on the economy. Its a chain reaction that causes everybody's (industry) prices to climb.

    I like to see people better themselves but not at the expense of the country, its citizens livelihoods & wellbeing. What the auto industry is doing is not healthy for this country or anyone who lives here. That's when & why it matters separately from some other situations.

    Its time to force the auto industry into a different direction & stop this nonsense. I am pro union......... not not like this.
     
  6. TheLoadOut

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    Even if they are successful in coming to some type of resolution, in 10 years or so they'll be right back to complaining about horrible working conditions, wanting a 3 day work week, and free Omaha Steaks every month because they can't afford to feed their families.
     
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  7. Rideandrepair

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    The demands are high. That’s a negotiating tactic. The raises are over the term of the contract. The Members are rightfully angry. The last UAW President went to prison for embezzlement and taking bribes from the Manufacturers. They do take concessions when times are tough. In 08, Chrysler workers took a cut down to $14 hr. They’re still working under some of those concessions, like the 2 tier wage system and taking 8 years to get to top pay. Car prices will always be as high as what the market will bear. Right now the Feds raising rates, squeezing money out of the economy. The Stock Market has benefited. Corporations have benefited by borrowing to buy back Stock. Increasing their value. It’s created a lot of wealth. None of it for average folks. All they got was a bigger line of credit. There’s two ways to go right now. One way is raising pay. The other is lowering standards of living. Same old story. The Big money will win. The Fed is the Ruler. Their goal is to keep wages low by raising the Unemployment rate. The ironic part is it’s all done in the name of saving the average little guys job. Considering there’s an estimated 8-10 year worker shortage currently. There hasn’t been a better time for Workers to make gains since the early 70’s. The UAW isn’t very powerful anymore. When they count they’re Membership, they count the whole household of each member. Maybe even the dogs. Lol. There’s not a lot of power to influence wages. I do think it’s good though for other Workers to see that you don’t always have to settle for what’s being offered. Wages need to go up. No one should be working full time and qualify for Government assistance. Wal Mart orientation includes a lesson on how to apply. That’s where we’ve gotten to a little bit at a time.
     
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  8. ducnut

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    ^^^ Thank you, for this!
     
  9. gentleroger

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    Since 2014, GM has reduced shares outstanding by about 12%, but dividends have gone up by 20%. VERY rough math tells me that GM could easily afford giving the UAW everything with that 8% gap. The money is there to both pay the workers a healthy wage and pay a fair dividend.

    You talked about "it's getting the whole nation out of whack" - I would agree with you that the economy is getting out of whack, but I disagree that it's coming from wage increases. I would argue it has more to do with tax policy, corporate consolidation, and horizontal holdings.
     
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  10. Grumppy

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    Roger, Oh no, don't get me wrong in that I am blaming the entire mess the economy is in on wage increases. Not that by any means, but again, with the big 3's status as a big market share of the economy, yes it can easily throw a market in a huge tail spin.
    Look at the past... back in the 70's when we had to bail them out because of what it was doing to the economy & what it would have done if left alone. I don't necessarily agree with the bail outs as such, but just making the point of how much one industry (the big 3) & one organization (the UAW) & these ridiculous wage & benefit packages can affect the economy.
    Look at the 80's with the S&L's that Reagan had to contend with. Its not that the S&Ls are responsible for the entire collapse of the economy, but just within the last year, one or two banks fail & the economy falls apart.

    This just goes to show how one industry such as the car industry (and its powerful UAW foe) can cripple an economy when it is in control of so much money & power within the economy.
    I don't think wage increases within one industry alone is generally anything to worry about, but an industry as big as the Big 3 & the UAW, with an already crippled economy could very easily put this thing over the top.... easily.

    I just wish Lee Iacocca was still around......
     
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  11. cuzzin it

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