Viable plan?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Roadie363, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Roadie363

    Roadie363 Light Load Member

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    I am a grad of prof driving school, 10mo company team OTR with spouse for my trucking background. We previously owned our own motorcycle business. I am currently a manager w/ a AAS in aviation mgt. I am early 50's, no kids at home.
    I give that info because I think I want to get back into trucking as an O/O. The reason we quit was the hours required of company team driving and lack of control.
    My initial game plan is to put approx $10k down on a $30-35k truck. I expect a '05 or '06. That should not put a large burden for monthly payments. We would not have much in the way of other bills. Run that truck 1 yr, then upgrad to 2yr old truck.
    I think I also want to start by leasing on with someone. Recommendations? Limiting factor is 10mo exp. Clean record, no accidents or tickets.
    Ideally, I think I will prob run solo 1/2 of time, and spouse go out with me about every other trip (assuming approx 2 weeks out) She might work part time at home. We COULD run team if we want then, but would like to choose when we want to put in some hours. Is that an option on the contractor side of the house with these companies?
    I am thinking because of limited previous experience, I will need 6mo or so leasing on with someone, then probably go with LandStar where we can choose our loads.
    I would expect to evaluate staying with something like LandStar or getting our own authority a year after that stage is started. Don't have a good grasp of where I would want to go yet.
    Thanks in advance for any help, evaluations, or ideas!
    Cheers
     
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  3. MeatHead

    MeatHead Medium Load Member

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    I would just jump right in and get your own authority. You'll be lucky to get around a $1.00 per mile leased on with someone. I think you know LS won't take you on yet due to not enough recent experience.

    The only problem I see with most people starting out is working cash on hand. In my case it takes about $10,000. From the day you haul your first load it will be about 5 weeks before your first check arrives then maybe another week for the next one and so on. In the meantime you have to pay for your fuel, expenses and personal bills also.

    One approach I saw someone do was to run hard for 2 solid months then they sat at home for about a month until all checks were in.
     
  4. Roadie363

    Roadie363 Light Load Member

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    Thanks MeatHead. I readily admit I dont know enough to jump out on my own yet. Not to mention that Insurance will go down after I have more than a yr driving (doesn't it?)
    I could have the $10K, but it is either down payment to keep overhead down, or for operating cost for a couple months, and no down payment ,,,IF I could find someone to do that. Credit isnt best,,,isnt worst,,everybody had a rough time,,late pays, etc,,but no bankruptcy.
    I think the $1/mi would work if low overhead. And as I mentioned,,I think that would only be 6mo or so.
    That also allows some more learnin out there on the contractor side.
    Again, thanks for help!!
    Cheers
     
  5. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    here is some info I read from some one else on here.


    good mourning: id like to cpmment on your post...
     
  6. Roadie363

    Roadie363 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for the info HeavyHaulerss, I really appreciate your time and help.
    It does make you think twice.
    I know I wont have a whole lot of choice who I lease onto at first. Does anyone have suggestions for someone with limited experience?
    I want to contract to someone at first, (1) for experience required by insurance co's. (2) cash flow (3) get to know the business on that side
    After doing that for awhile, I will figure out the next step, own authority or contract.
     
  7. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    This is too good, I just had to bite at it. So what if a company will only pay around $1 a mile? Most, like the carrier I am leased to, will pay a decent fuel surcharge, which for me right now is $.32 a mile on top of the mileage rate. Not to mention, the cheaper cost for physical damage, bobtail, and cargo insurance that one could get thru a carrier. What about if the carrier is picking up the cost of tags? Or what about negotiated discounts upwards of $.20 a gallon off the pump cash price? And you don't have to spend valuable time locating freight, or waiting for the broker or shipper to pay the bill. I don't have any "hidden" fees such as trailer fees or other junk. I only have a qualcomm fee of $10 a week. In my settlements, the only thing that comes out is for insurance (first week of the month), qualcomm and fuel (with no transaction fees to use their fuel card). I don't have to fiddle with IFTA taxes or get charged a fee for the company to do them. I can pay the $550 annual heavy use tax on my own or have them take it out of the settlement and file it for me with no fee to do it. And you can get these good deals at a small scale carrier like I do. No need to go to the mega carriers that treat you like dung. When all the costs of doing business are factored in to what it costs an independent to operate, the net may not be all that much better. And, after all, isn't the net amount you keep actually the goal?

    If you are a real savvy independent and can juggle a lot of balls effectively, sure you can make more. But you are working for every penny more. But some will find that having a carrier do all the "backroom office" stuff and negotiating the freight works well to. And when it comes to the NET profit at the end of the year, don't make out much worse than an independent operator, so long as they run things like a business and not just a company driver that owns a truck. Especially in this economy.

    After being in the trucking game for almost 30 years, I am not convinced that being a true independent is all that advantageous, unless you are catering to a niche market and have your own customer base. But if you get with the right carrier, and operate your end like you were an independent, you can sometimes do as well or even better than an independent. I do a lot of my own maintenance, buy my parts, oil, and filters at local commercial suppliers at costs substantially lower than dealer's and traditional parts stores charge, and other things to keep costs down. I pick loads that will put me in areas with good freight volume out and still get by the house once a week and off on the weekends and holidays. And at the same time am doing as well or better than many "independents" I know. I won't ever be Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, but then, neither will any independent.
     
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  8. MeatHead

    MeatHead Medium Load Member

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    So, how much does your rate per mile work out to for all miles and how many miles do you get per week?
     
  9. Roadie363

    Roadie363 Light Load Member

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    Thanks Cowpie! I appreciate your input. It looks like alot of the benefits of leasing on add fairly significantly to overall cpm.
    How much control do you have over what loads you accept? Is it possible to run solo and team when we want to put in the miles?
    Care to share who you are leased with?
     
  10. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    The rate is variable on length of haul. .95 - 1.08 a mile. $75 1st xtra stop, $100 for each other (stops xtra from p/u and del). $75 an hour for local work if my travel agent asks me to move some trailers around in town or go load something and bring it back to local yard. That only happened about 3 times in the last two years. I did about 138,000 average miles the last two years, with each weekend (except a couple of times) and holidays off and taking a couple of weeks off. Fuel surcharge is based on $1.25 a gallon base fuel cost and calculated using 6 mpg. Adjusted each week on Monday.

    Sometimes they surprise me. I took a load to one of our customers in Lakeville, MN. Scheduled to deliver 1800. Was planning to take a break at the delivery. The customer could not get me unloaded for 11 hours. I took my break like I planned and when the settlement for the run showed up, I got $375 in detention. Not bad. Take a 10 hour break and get paid for detention. I never even asked for it. I just took my break while waiting.
     
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  11. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    I can turn down whatever I do not want. Only did that a couple of times in the last two years. Most of the runs are pretty good and I have not complaints. My travel agent usually will give me several choices of freight that is moving out of the area I am in, and will make a recommendation on a load that will put me in an area that has a good run, and she will let me know what is going on at the other end so I can know which choice would work better. If not really much for a choice, she just preplans me on something, but she looks out for me and doesn't stick me with bad loads. Most times she will preplan me so that there is zero sit time. I can turn it down if I don't like it, but again, she doesn't stick me with junk runs. To be honest, I have done a few loads for her that I would rather not have done, but she always makes it worth while in the long run. Her dad is a O/O here and she grew up in trucking and has been load planning for around 20 years. She knows her stuff. She virtually can predict what hours I will have to run and how to match up times so I don't have to play games. We are NOT on electronic logs. If a delivery does conflict, I just let her know early on so she has time to make a change. The outfit is Fremont Contract Carriers out of Fremont, NE. They have a few company trucks, but most of the outfit is O/O. Most of the stuff is solo runs, but there are a few couples that are teaming. I think there is a truck or two that the couple operate like a "driver and 1/2" instead of a full blown team. About 300 trucks total. I stay primarily in the Upper Midwest. The freight is consistent and I am usually only a day run from the house. A lot of trucks do operate 48 and with little Canada thrown in once in a while. Flat or dry van.

    It's not a 'perfect' outfit, but there are one heck of a lot of things done right. Plus, it is a real friendly atmosphere and everybody knows your name. They treated me fantastic when my grandmother died last December and when my oldest son died a few weeks ago. They showed a real concern and called almost every day for a couple of weeks just to see how I was doing and handling my son's death and provided a real nice floral arraingment for the funeral. I was at another carrier before this one that treated me almost as well, but they sold out and it was fortunate that I came across these guys. Really good customer base that treats the drivers well also.
     
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