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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by 9417, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. 9417

    9417 Light Load Member

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    I know the seasoned posters on this site have read threads like this countless times.

    However, I differ from other wannabes in one important trait:

    I WANT TO KNOW WHY AND HOW MY PLAN STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN.

    Yes, you read that right.

    So many aspiring OOs post here and want to hear what makes them happy. In other words, they only want to hear how successful they'll be. These people will argue to the bitter end with anyone who offers criticism.

    Well, that's not me.

    I've read the great advice from the heavy hitters on this sub-forum so I'm aware this venture will have an 85% - or higher - failure rate.

    However, I have a passion for trucking and seek the freedom that successful OOs enjoy.

    So what I'd like to hear - the good, bad, ugly, and hideous - are what others think of my plan. Now mind you, I'm still in the research phase so I haven't done anything crazy like put a down payment on a truck.

    Some background info on me would be helpful...

    I have a little over 5 years experience as a commercial driver. I started out OTR dry van (48 states), went to 11 western dry and reefer, and currently work line haul.

    I have all my certs. I have real-world experience pulling 53s, 48s, doubles, and triples (in the winter, no less).

    I do not have experience pulling flatbed and tankers (although you need the endorsement in line haul because of the totes).

    I worked briefly for a freight broker so I have some idea how that works. For the broker, I did such things as cold call potential customers, negotiate rates with drivers or dispatchers. I also did some planning for the ugly multi-pick to multi-drop runs. Conflict resolution was another task I had.

    Prior to all this, I worked in customer service. Therefore, I have some experience helping people who are unhappy for various reasons. Soft skills such as never raising my voice or trying to match wits with the other person goes a long way.

    I currently have $80k in cash saved up. I've managed to save this and still max out on my Roth and make modest contributions to an index fund.

    I am debt free. Yes, I know that will soon change if I take the plunge as a new OO.

    I will most likely purchase a used truck. Ideally, it will still have the factory warranty. I've read nothing but bad things about 3rd-party warranties (which makes perfect sense since they are in the business of selling warranties while minimizing pay-outs).

    I'll have it inspected by an independent mechanic. This inspection will include blow by test, ECM, and oil analysis.

    I'm not necessarily against purchasing a new truck. However, I know they can still have electrical or other issues that will sideline me. This would be especially bad if I'm under a load. Also, it'll be me who'll eat the depreciation cost.

    But if anyone has good reasons to go new, I'm all ears.

    Whether new or used, I'm leaning towards Cascadia. From my OTR experience, I know Volvo dealers are fewer and farther in between than Freightliner. I've also had more electrical problems with Volvos. Right about now, I'm certain Volvo owners are doing finger exercises to type a response about how they never have such problems!

    I've also looked into T680 but I don't have first hand knowledge like I do with Cascadias and Volvos. If I do go the T680 route, I haven't heard too many negative things about it with a Paccar engine. If you know different, please let me know.

    If I go used, it will most likely be 2016 or later as there should ("should" being the operative word) be less likely to have regen issues as opposed to the earlier models.

    My first 6 to 12 months, I plan on leasing onto a carrier. Candidates include Landstar. I've read they take a big cut; however, this doesn't have to be a long-term deal. If there are other reputable outfits people have first-hand experience with, feel free to let me know.

    After the 6-12 month period, I may strike it out on my own. However, I know this can be feast or famine as I've worked as a broker's assistant.

    My accountant deals primarily with OOs and company drivers. He's slammed right now with the tax season. When it's over, I plan on going over a detailed analysis with him.

    For now, I want to hear from those who are actually in the thick of things. And like I stated earlier, I actually WANT to hear why this is a lousy idea. I'm old enough to know it's human nature to avoid unpleasant news. However, if the unpleasant news can save my hide, I want to be very much aware of it.

    Thanks
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I think you may actually be one of the ones that make it. Good luck.
     
  4. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Have you estimated your projected fixed and variable expenses? And how you intend to make a better amount than you otherwise would as a company driver doing similar work? This will also show you the estimated revenue necessary to achieve your goals. Your goal might be to make approximately 2x a company driver wage. In other words.... perhaps 1.00 per mile to you for all miles driven vs about .50 as a company driver. Maybe it's 3x. You decide what success will be defined as.

    Have you decided what sector you excel in? Or are you just trying to go "wherever the money is the best" ? I excel at refrigerated, so that's what I do. I could probably make more at something else, but it isn't what I know or want to do, and I'm doing awesome at reefer work, so why change? I knew reefer was my path before I bought my first truck.

    Used is generally a better way to go when starting out. Paid in full if possible. This way the truck only eats money as you work it. More you drive it, more you'll repair it. If work gets slow, you won't have a lender coming to take it back. That's basicly the trade off for new vs used. Used emission trucks are always more of a gamble than the pre-dpf days.
     
  5. uncleal13

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    Use half your money, buy a $40,000 Cascadia. Keep the other half for when the One-Box fails. And drive down the road with zero payments.
    Put $1,000 to $2,000 a month away for your next truck. If this one makes it three years you’ll have enough to do it again.
     
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  6. 062

    062 Road Train Member

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    Well gokiddo stole my answer. Not really I don’t have the attention span to type all that.
    I’d say used truck prices will drop in the next few months.
    @Dave_in_AZ has done something similar.
     
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  7. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    The only thing I can assure you of, is the same thing I tell people that talk with me about a job; You will have it shoved all the way up your ### on occasion through no fault of your own.

    I think it's interesting sometimes how challenging / difficult things can be, and this is with you giving it your best effort at all times. Just think what would happen if you didn't.

    I don't think it's rocket science by any stretch. It is discipline, and effort.

    It's all consuming. I was booking a load at 9:00 last night on an agents cell phone via text.

    Dave's definition of luck = Hard work, and preparation meet opportunity.
     
  8. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    I would buy brand new and dump it in three years. Your maintenance costs should be relatively minimal. The three to five year mark is when lots of things are going to need fixing and you'll start getting check engine lights for emissions stuff. Warranty for that stuff is great but not worth the paper it's written on. IF the dealer can get it in right away, chances are you'll still be risking a late pickup, delivery or missed load altogether. The only thing you should count on the warranty for is if the engine blows up, or something major like a transmission or differential.

    If you do buy a used truck, you better learn the after treatment system and know it like the back of your hand. If you want to keep the truck rolling and making money with minimal downtime, you'll have to fix the minor stuff yourself.
     
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  9. 9417

    9417 Light Load Member

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    Fixed and Variable Expenses. I plan on doing a detailed analysis with my accountant (he specializes in OOs and company drivers).

    I don't necessarily have to make more more money than as a company driver (although that is the ultimate plan...). I'll be perfectly happy making about the same BUT with the satisfaction of knowing I'm forging my own path.

    I don't plan on chasing the best paying freight. I DO plan on specializing. I'm good at line haul. And the LTL business model won't go away any time soon.

    I can pull 53s, doubles, and triples (I actually have over a year exp there). The way I see it, there are too many players out there. I plan on finding my own niche and building a reputation for integrity and getting it done on time.

    One thing I've learned as a broker's assistant. There are predatory OOs and fleet owners that will tell you they'll cover your freight. And - lo and behold - 30 minutes later they have some mysterious break down. Some times this may be legit. However, I know they've often found better paying loads and left me empty handed. We had notes on such drivers and fleets. I know brokers play similar games. And this is where reputation means everything.

    Used truck is more within my budget. As stated, I want to find one with reasonable miles and a decent amount left on factory warranty. Still leaning towards Cascadia with DD13 or 15.

    But not ruling out T680 with Paccar. If anyone has first-hand knowledge on the T680s, feel free to share.

    Whatever I go with, I WILL absolutely get the blow-by, OA, ECM, and all other inspections done. I can offset the cost by leveraging a lower price with seller. That's the plan, anyways...

    Thanks very much.
     
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  10. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    Read this thread.

    How Much Hometime????

    I made $121K at Landstar last year, just my truck. It is not for the timid however.
     
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  11. 9417

    9417 Light Load Member

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    I'll be sure to read the thread you mentioned.

    You know, one of the reasons I fell in love in with trucking is that I'm something of a drifter.

    I actually enjoy visiting different places and seeing the sights. I can take advantage of Lyft. I've also done enough OTR to know some decent places where I can park a bobtail, get a workout/shower, buy supplies, and catch a movie.

    I also know there'll be miserable days when I'm stuck in my truck at some ****hole. And that's trucking, I know. I can use that time to catch up on book-keeping, researching market conditions, and other necessary things.
     
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