What is the correct placards for this scenario.

I think this shows the difficulty and confusion with Haz. We do Haz every day, tankers and van. We placard any Table 2 specific category above 2205 pounds. We placard "Dangerous" Table 2 aggregate above 1000 pounds. We placard ALL Table 1. Keep in mind, if DOT looks at your manifest, you are the one responsible. DOT could care less what the shipper told you.

Did the shipper leave off an emergency phone number? You're responsible. Did the shipper list the order of the Haz description not in ISHP? You're responsible. Did the shipper use an incorrect shipping name? You're responsible.

You're the driver. Once you close the doors and drive off, the ticket is yours.

 

Here is the paragraph that KW refers to:

IDENTIFICATION NUMBER MARKINGS ON ORANGE PANELS OR APPROPRIATEPLACARDS MUST BE DISPLAYED ON: (1) Tank Cars, Cargo Tanks, Portable Tanks,and other Bulk Packagings; (2) Transport vehicles or freight containers containing4,000 kg (8,820 lbs) in non-bulk packages of only a single hazardous materialhaving the same proper shipping name and identification number loaded at onefacility and transport vehicle contains no other material, hazardous or otherwise;and (3) transport vehicles or freight containers containing 1,000 kg (2,205 lbs) ofnon-bulk packages of materials poisonous by inhalation in Hazard Zone A or B.See §§172.301(a)(3), 172.313(c), 172.326, 172.328,172.330, and 172.331.


Note: " ... contains no other material, hazardous or otherwise... "

As far as I'm concerned, that flags my loadlocks and dunnage. We consider this superceded by the requirement to fly ID markings for 2205 pounds and above for a single Haz category. A single package of paper clips with your load of UN 1263 and you didn't fly 1263, we figure you're toast. We stick with 2,205.

But it does sound like this particular load, as KW points out, could fit within 8820 pounds. It doesn't matter, though. We both agree to fly 1263.

Now, CondoCruiser, you trying to muck things up? : 0)

 

True, the driver is the one responsible for correct placarding, no one else.
I always verify my placard requirements, even if 10 ppl at the shipper said it it should be placarded "XXX way".

However, when you say "We placard any Table 2 specific category above 2205 pounds. We placard "Dangerous" Table 2 aggregate above 1000 pounds.", this is not correct.
Are you saying that if you had a shipment containing 1,200 lbs of corrosives, it wouldn't be placarded because that falls below your 2,205 lb threshold?
Classes 2.1, 2.2, 3, 4, 5, and 8 all have thresholds of only 1,001 lbs required for placarding, not 2205 lbs.

 

Who is "WE"?

 

No. 1200 pounds of Table 2 Corrosive gets placarded 'Corrosive' because over 1,000 and any 2,200 of one UN #, need to fly the UN # of that Haz # over 2,200. (We'll placard manifest showing 2,000.) If aggregate is over 1,000 and none of the load over 1,000 of any Table 2, then Dangerous. Under 1,000 of Table 2, no placard required.

All Table 1 placarded. Even 1 pound.

We = company I work for. Haz every day. You can do whatever you want.

There is much more to Haz, like 3" distance from any markings on trailer, proper loading and the compatibility between different Haz categories. Some require proper manifest with an audit trail from PU at generator, to designated receiver, multiple transporters. I'm sometimes the 5th or 6th transporter and original sigs for everybody have to be on that paperwork. We are sometimes both the 1 or 2 transporter and then again later. (From Branch to Hub, from Hub to next destination, for example.) You can't rely on shipper. They just want the stuff from A to B, off their dock, please.

Some of our Haz loads take an hour to sign all the bills. Not including looking everything up and checking incompatibles. No exaggeration. Just signing. (But we are paid for all wait above first 2 hours and percentage on the load.)

 

Granted, I'm also familiar with misc regs like the 3" placard spacing, loading, segregating, and "some of" the thousands of hazmat regulations they murk our minds with.
I have made mistakes and have learned from them, we all have I guess. Hazmat regs are enormous in volume to try to absorb. I try to do my best.
I simply think that from the sound of it, you're mixing up the bulk requirements, with the requirements/2205 lb exception for Dangerous placard use.

If I'm wrong on any part, I'll fess up and admit any mistakes, but if I'm correct I stand by my statements. I always try to be sure before posting anything.
One thing is for sure, "we" cannot make up our own interpretation of hazmat regs. At least not legally... but it sure would be less stressful for drivers and shippers.

 

To be safe, run the 1263 placards. BUT when ever you are faced with this, ask the shipper what to run and tell them to show you why. If they don't know, don't take the load.

 

KW, I routinely call dispatch, sometimes email my worksheet adding up all the different ID numbers and the Package Groups. You were right, this particular load looks like it fits into either the 8,800 or the 2,200 that my company goes by. For us, one load with nothing else but one Haz category is not typical.

We might reach the 1263 placard by diff means but DOT wouldn't know unless they asked. Either way, KW, I think we'd both be okay. : 0)

Ridgeline, we have a major shipper that the clerks know zero. Zero. I need to know how to break apart the Haz on a worksheet and decipher it. It's my job.

 

Great Info and recommended site. All drums 55 gallons, no totes. The 8000 lbs had me curious to the proper placards.

 

Hey Victor, just kudos on staying calm when being called out, whether justified or not (and I am not Hazmat experienced so don't know)