When you mention they may sit there until a load is going out, how does this usually happen? Do you seek it or are you contacted?
What technology can help your business that doesn't exist?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by curious_programmer, Nov 6, 2016.
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Your next question perhaps should be (Here comes captian obvious... Sorry folks...) what do you NOT yet have covered?
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When I was in O/O school working on the purchasing of my tractor I was told by the staff that truck will sit empty however much it takes for me to go out of business. I seek loads to have a load going out and another load coming back. Ideally from the same place or facility, such as Beer to a D/C then load empty kegs back to Busch for example.
I never forgot that lesson.
I do not have access or intend anytime soon to have access paid or otherwise to people who have loads. But I cannot "Not offer" what people have taught me in that level of trucking. Which is way beyond a mindless company driver told to go here or there. It's motivating actually. -
This is fantastic input, thank you

There's a lot of money being poured into keeping rates down for shippers, and in my opinion not enough money being invested to improve the lives of drivers. Tech investors see a "capacity crunch" coming, and an opportunity to sell technology to shippers in order to keep prices down. From what I can tell, it's been working. I'm interesting in finding technology that can help the carrier. From what you're saying, you need more opportunities to be offered good loads. Is bidding on load boards and relying on brokers the main source of this? If so, is that fundamentally working? -
I didn't realize hack-haul rates are significantly less. Why is this? Are you only dealing with the broker or shipper who sent you out to the receiver? Or do you find yourself loads on load boards?
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What if people were paying access to see when you were free and sending bids to you? It could be that they noticed you're in a city and on your way back, or ideally it's set up in advance. That seems to me to be a great way to get the best offer, but I could be missing something.
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Doesn't sound worth it to me either! So sounds like this is a problem. Why do you think back hauls are being offered for such cheap rates? What if more people knew your availability and a high quality back-haul could be offered?
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Why would they offer a high quality back haul when they are pumping in foreigners on work visa that are happy to drive for penny? Or even the non stop taunting of shortage of drivers yet so many truck with drivers either sit at home or in truck stops waiting on losds . It a shortage of loads not drivers and what left no one want cause it doesn't make sense to run for $1 a mile with the cost to turn the key on that truck. Everyone want the cheapest and it the demise of are country rsthern then buying produce that cost more and put fellow American in well paying jobs we buy junk from China and we are stuck making less and less each year ...Derailed Thanks this.
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Paging @RollinCoal

From what I can tell, freight brokers don't have incentive to help "the small guy" make quality relationships with the shipper. They want to maximize how many loads they move from day-to-day, instead of trying to find high-quality matches between carrier and shipper. This differs from a 3PL who places more focus on the long-term relationship between carrier and shipper. Is that right? What are the downsides of working with a 3PL like C.H. Robinson? Smaller rates? -
I hear ya. People are taking advantage of cheap labor. They're making a buck today, but at what cost? Quality is going down. Products aren't made like they are used to, and good reliable service seems to be a relic of the past. People who are willing to offer high quality service for quality pay are being replaced by people who offer lower quality at a lower rate.
My opinion is there's still a market for those who offer high quality service. I spoke to an agent at a large 3PL who confirmed there are some shippers willing to pay more for better service. Quality shipper-carrier matching is still on the minds of some. How can technology help make these connections? -
First, you should remove the word backhaul from your vocabulary...one man's "backhaul" is another's load going out. There's simply good areas for freight and bad areas. As an example, loads going to Montana pay great, but loads coming out of there (if you can find any) pay very little. It's simply the laws of supply and demand. Where there is little manufacturing/shipping and many trucks, rates will be very low.
You mentioned a place for shippers to find trucks but with the amount of trucks looking for the shippers, what incentive do shippers have to do that extra work? Word travels fast and if some company has loads to ship it usually won't take long for some go-getter with access to trucks to come to them. The bigger loadboards offer the trucks a way to post themselves as available but the blast of cheap loads being offered from the big broker firms make it more of an annoyance than an opportunity. And the best paying freight is usually moved without ever having been near a public loadboard...if it's worth paying good money to ship it's not going to go on some random truck...it takes cultivating a relationship to get into the good stuff.
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