Personally.....I would be looking into at least doing a inframe, if not a complete overhaul at 1.2 mill.
If you have a trusted mechanic who works reasonably priced in your area then the cost would be alot cheaper then breaking down with a blown motor 1,000 miles from home.
Preventive maintenance is more then just doing oil changes. If I know a altenator has alot of miles on it, I replace it, same with a starter and other mechanical parts. Being proactive can save you money in the long haul by keeping problems down while on the road making money. Plus all these repairs are done while you are on home time so no real lost days from working your truck.
When to replace motor?
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by texasmorrell, May 11, 2012.
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Made a similar comment that was responded to with....
"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
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Bender got it right. Truth be told, there is NO pure synthetic oil on the market. Mobil 1, Amsoil, Royal Purple, etc all have some form of Group II, Group III, or Group IV base oil combination. Each group brings certain characteristics to the game that are desired. A group IV, while excellent for controlling "burn off" volatility and a very low pour point, also is not the best at keeping the additive package in suspension. So... there is also some Group III or Group II in the mix to take care of that. And the difference in quality between these groups are getting tighter all the time. A group II is your standard Rotella, Delvac, etc off the shelf. A group III is a severely hydrocracked/refined group II and can be labeled a synthetic (i.e Rotella, Valvoline, Castrol synthetics). A group IV is made from natural gas and is more accurately called a synthetic (i.e. Delvac 1, Amsoil, Royal Purple synthetics).
And name brand is really not that important. Most all the labeled brands get their base oil from a couple of producers. The cost difference between them has more to do with advertising, truck show sponsorships, race car sponsorships, etc. I can get a very good synthetic blend at my local farm and home store for easily 30% or more less than the big name brands. And it performs as good or better, based on oil sampling and engine longevity, than any of the big name brands.
Synthetics are good. It is the only thing I will put in my transmission and differentials. I like a synthetic grease as well. But I have not experienced any real benefit of using a high ticket synthetic in any engine... my commercial truck, my Jeep Liberty Diesel, my New Holland ag tractor, etc But, I do like a synthetic blend. It gives me the best of both worlds at a very reasonable cost. Currently, I can get a very good synthetic blend for $13 a gallon. Can't even get a standard mineral oil off the shelf at a truck stop for that low of price!
Got 1.4 mil out of my last engine without opening it up. Sold it and the next owner ran it for quite a while before doing anything to it. Got 7 mpg when I sold it. My current engine is at 847,000 and still has excellent oil samples like it did when it was at 300,000 miles. All on that low priced synthetic blend available at the farm and home store! I concur with others... if the samples still look good, and it is performing right, then the "if it aint broke, then don't fix it" rule applies. But each person has to follow their gut on this. If a person feels that the engine is getting tired and needs an overhaul, then bank for it, plan a time to shut her down, and do it. There is no hard and fast rule here. Plan it right and combine a vacation at the same time so you can kill two birds with one stone. Enjoy some time off doing something you wanted to do, and come back to a rebuilt engine ready to go to work.Last edited: May 12, 2012
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Knock on wood, I've never sat in a motel with a broken truck, not my truck.. When it comes to starters, water pumps, or alternators I pretty much live by those words and think it's foolish to throw money away replacing them if they're not broken.. I've had issues with those and other things in the past hundreds of miles from home and either fixed it myself on the road or made it back home to fix later no problem. Everybody has their own way of doing it..bender Thanks this.
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A couple things that I wouldn't wait until they fail would be the fan hub and the turbo. They can cause major chaos when they come apart and take out other very expensive components in the process. A failure of one of these two on the road can cost you a small fortune.
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Great post on why to buy $ 6000 truck. I had the exact same thought. New engine and drive train in an old body. The truth is that the body does not matter anyway as long as everything works. That old ugly truck gets paid the same as the pretty new one. Just think about how many improvements and upgrades you could put into an old truck for half the cost of a new one not counting finance charges. Custom interior, custom paint job, dripping with chrome, new electronics, APU, etc etc. And you would have a unique truck that no one else had. I would rather pay $2000 per month to do all those upgrades to an old truck than give $2000 per month to a bank to pay for a truck that is depreciating every month.
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Is your operation local or even regional ? If so than the " if it ain't broke " rule is tough to go wrong with.
If you're OTR and possibly thousands of miles from your preferred shop at any given moment than regular oil samples and closely watching oil consumption will be your best indicators.
If you aren't burning a gallon every 3 thousand miles and your UOA doesn't show anything abnormal you should continue to save your $ and leave yourself in the best possible position when the time comes.marmonman Thanks this. -
Since you didn't mention the kind of engine in the original post, you need to be aware that there are things that can go wrong with little or no warning and either result in a catastrophic breakdown, or the need to do a major overhaul because of things like antifreeze in the oil or fuel in the coolant.
Wet sleeve engines use O-rings to keep these fluids separated, oil (and fuel) getting in contact with the coolant o-rings causes swelling, deforming the cylinder wall and causing 3 point scoring damage.
I was running a 1962 engine in a farm tractor that had been overhauled once before, and that happened, sleeves and pistons as a set, and it's still running as far as I know. The bearings checked out fine.
The 92 series of 2 stroke Detroit was noted for getting coolant in the oil.
N-14s have or had brass cups pressed into the heads where the fuel injectors sit surrounded by bled off fuel, the cup cracks, and fuel gets into the coolant which surrounds the cups. Coolant smelling of fuel runs out the radiator overflow when this happens. Earlier Cummins have other issues specific to the particular model.
Older Series 60 Detroits had fatigue taking out wrist pin retaining bolts and punching holes in the sides of the block, sometimes catastrophic and sometimes repairable. It was recommended to do a partial rebuild addressing these issues and replacing some components in the valve train at the sale time to prevent this from happening.
A cracked head or head gasket problem can affect many engines. Oil analysis picks up on many problems but not all.
Some engines are renowned to not have much trouble, the 1693 to 3406B Cats were considered reliable, especially the B Cat.
One more anecdote, we had a 1969 4020 Diesel John Deere purchased new, traded at 2000 hours for a 4230, and the next owner kept it, it had 12000 hours on it in the early 90s and had never been touched according to son of the farmer who bought it. 4000-6000 hours was considered normal between overhauls for earlier models of the same engine. There was no turbo and the pistons had oil jetted under for cooling in the newer engine and a new style top ring called the Keystone ring which set it in another cast ring. The injection system was the large, rotary Roosa Master with the weak point being the small, pencil type injectors. Engines with the smaller rotary pump had fuel injection problems more often.
The tractor was rated at 94 PTO horsepower and had at least 115 on the dyno, it ran well. Later tractors with the same engine were rated in the 100 horsepower range.texasmorrell Thanks this.
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