Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. InTranzit

    InTranzit Light Load Member

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    If you think that we need more regulations then they should regulate, well, re-regulate the trucking industry. Not the same like it was before the '80's but in a way that would keep the drivers and o/o's from being used as a commodity.
    Then you'll see improvement in the labor aspect of things. The problem is that they're over regulating the labor/driver to no end and leaving the carrier/broker aspect virtually untouched from the business aspect.
    The truth is that the consumers of the trucking servicess, the shippers, are paying big $$$ even today, but you'll never see the $$$ macking it to the guy that actually does the work, the actual physical relocation of goods. The big bulk of the $$$ stays with the guys in the air conditioned offices looking at a computer monitor, making a few phone calls and shuffling a few papers trough a fax machine.

    The biggest problem in the world today is the fact that there are too darn many chiefs and not enough Indians. Everybody wants to be a boss of sorts! Too darn muck birocracies, too many people that require big pay for doing nothing else then producing allot of confusion and allot of CO2 and excrement. The money has to come from somewhere. All of those monetary resources in this, well, or any other industries these days, are being eaten up by birocracies instead of compensating the working stiff out there doing the actual work.
    That's why they feel like if they regulate the working stiff in the trucking industry, the driver, it'll curve the driver's incentive to go overboard and push thir capability's limits in other to earn enough money to justify the time spent on the road away from their families.

    No one in this industry would overwork themselves if a good compensation for a logical amount of work would be a reality. It's unnatural. People like leisure time better then work!

    I don't doubt that there is the "stupid" factor ou there. Another gent mentioned tailgating and stupid maneuvers that some truckers are perpetrating. That don't justify the penalizing and 24/7 electronical surveillance of every trucker out there. I don't think that the majority of truck drivers out there are a bunch of criminals waking every morning thinking of ways to intimidate, hurt and kill themselves and the other people traveling on America's highways. That's a complete fallacy perpetuated by the proponents of the big government complete and utter power to control and survey every little aspect of everyone's life......all done in the name of safety and security.

    To deal with the "stupid" factor, I would suggest that auto-policeing of trucking industry would work just fine.
    I remember the days when, if someone acted stupid, got straightened out by the colleagues.......maybe a few swollen eyes an few brocken ribs........but it worked and got the message across.
    You know? We all have family traveling on those highways too!
     
  2. InTranzit

    InTranzit Light Load Member

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    OK man! Splitting hairs here!

    Sure it was passed at the very end of, oh, I'm getting sick.....Carter, but The Gipper didn't reverse it and it was implemented during Reagan......as you know, no reg passes today and implemented tomorrow .

    As for being back: I don't like to constantly argue to no end. I'm really sick of never ending combat of ideas where common sense seems to disappear out of sight no where to be found.
    So I decided to take a leave of absence to let things cool a little.

    One more thing: I'm not gonna look for excuses for being rude in some of my past comment! So, I apologize for that!

    Some of this ideas, like rolling over and accepting anything that comes down the pipe of big regulatory institutions, rubs me the wrong way!
    I'll never become a mindless robot at the pleasure of big government!
    I am an individual, a human being created in the image of the All Mighty, possessing a number of unalienable rights given by the All Mighty God! Not a subject to other humans and human institutions that want to deprive me of this rights that they never had to do with in the first place.

    I live my life on the premises of "live and let live". And "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you"

    Peace!

    One more thing: actually that was a regulation of labor in the trucking industry, redulatind the driver qualifications requirements and all tat, but the 80 brought a number of carrier deregulations.
    The combination of de-regulating one aspect of the trucking industry and regulating to no end the driver aspect of this industry, it's the cause of all this turmoil and misunderstandings of today.
     
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  3. Guntoter

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    Wow, angry are you?
    I never claimed to be in the trucking industry longer than anyone else, I did however claim to know some things about business. I have known 4th generation truck drivers who earn $30K a year driving someone elses truck, Ive know people with no trucking experience make millions in their 3rd year.
    You call it whatever you need to, a "quick buck" or whatever. I call building two successful trucking companies and selling them at a profit "the American dream".
    Ive had 2 DOT numbers in 15 years of ownership. Drivers who in some cases earned 100K (averaged about 60K), trucks that did highway patrol escorted loads (meaning no junk), had an IRS audit in 2006 that was "as filed" meaning no problems with my returns.
    So tell me how you concluded that Im some fly by nite scofflaw?
    BTW Im sure telling me to su*k your d**K in Irish must be a violation of this board. But im gonna steal it for my sig if thats ok.
     
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    TheRoadWarrior rocking-n-rollin again

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    I Want.to know what outlaws cant do anymore? Please explain this to me. I have run
    outlaw for years and made a heck of a living. I have made awsum friends
    with clients and brokers and thats because I do run outlaw and they know ill
    get the job done instead of sitting in a truckstop being a CB Rambo or chasing a
    lot lizard. Csa, e-logs and anything else the goverment can shove up the new
    drivers rear. just as bad as 62 mph trucks on an 80 mph highway blocking
    Up traffic. Lets put it this way us old outlaw truckers didnt sell our selves out
    as all the big companies have done they sold themselves to the government just
    like the ATA did (now called the ANTI TRUCKER ASSOCIATION) and then try to pawn off
    this crap as saying its good for.drivers and blah blah blah. JMO
     
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    Roadwarrior well said!!!!
     
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    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Hey...I'm a truck driver...OK my first "interpretive mistake" this year!!!!

    Guaranteed it won't be the last!!!!!:biggrin_2552:
     
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    I'm beginning to think that those that support the e logs and governored trucks,black boxes,etc just plain old don't want to work and need their hand held
     
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    TheRoadWarrior rocking-n-rollin again

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    Thank you Poppa.
     
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    TheRoadWarrior rocking-n-rollin again

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    Lmao Otter well said
     
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  10. InTranzit

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    Congat's for being a good business man. No skin of my back if you make trillions of $$$, as long as you respect the rights of your fellow man.

    But you've got to understand that the number of good businesses in trucking these days it eclipses the number of the fly by night operations. That's not the fault of not enough driver regulations! It's the cause of faulty carrier regulations.

    I have no problems with implementing some very strict and precise carrier regulations, cause that's regulating business not individuals, and put a stop to this shady practices of the big business that transformed the individual, the truck driver and the one man or small O/O businesses into a simple commodity, pushed and shoved trough "revolving doors" and treated as a nonsense.

    Also the carrier regulations should make it impossible for the fly by night operations and shady load brokerage companies to even exist. It could be done trough strict carrier and brocker qualifications requirements, higher, much higher bonds and default coverage to the point where it would be catastrophic for them to default on their resposibilitys.
     
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