Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. FozzyNOK

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    It also has to do with pay.. but working for free seems to be what "real drivers" want to do..
     
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    What don't you understand? If anyone "works" for free it is you(the ones on E-logs) since I am already sittin at the house (off the clock so to speak) and your kissin your bosses butt sleeping 30 minutes from the house for free. So you and the other E-log runnin guys can take what averages out to be pennies on the dollar for your working 120 hours a week thats if your home on the weekends. If you run weeks at a time then thats 336 hours you worked in a 2 week period so now take your pay of $0.35/per mile get your total and divide it into the 336 hours that you worked for your boss since you enjoy E-logs so stinkin much and tell me how much your time is worth? My time on the other hand isn't free nor cheap. So stop talking about workin for free since YOU my friend are the one working for free and driving down the wage of a driver.
     
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    The only things that appear to be driving RAT is money and customer demands. He mentions not being able to use the restroom during his day, and making a sandwich on the passenger seat. I'll take any of my drivers against someone that will admit this is how they run and show you that my drivers are safer.
     
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    But now lets look at CSA scores. I bet RAT's score is better along with the company as a whole. Just because he runs this way doesn't make him an unsafe driver. I would probably say he is safer driver then what you have. This is the way he has to run and he has adapted to this way and is safe in doing so. While he makes his sandwich he is probably safer then your driver who is bouncing in the seat because he has to pee but since he is on E-logs and he wants to get to the shipper in time before he runs out of hours he can't stop to pee.
     
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    The driver on E-logs gets to pee on line 1, "Off Duty", while Rat gets to pee on line 3, "On Duty, Driving", because he doesn't have enough time to draw a line and just wasted 10 minutes of his driving time.
     
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    Ok, we'll talk CSA scores. We we're a nightmare on paper, with eLogs we have dropped below the thresholds for every CSA basic. So paper was bad, eLogs are good. Customers are happy, first customer gave us a rate increase which will bring in roughly $750k for hauling the same amount. Since we'll probably also get in a increase in the number of loads we haul I'll say it's a good thing. Our regional guys that run on percentage are going to love this, same work for more pay, all nice a legal and they have the eLog to calculate their split break for them (and me on call for any issues that pop up in the middle of night and or weekend).
     
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    Just through a company audit (by DOT, yes every company gets these) his "fudging" the numbers by time starting, p/u, fuel, and delivery....since as he stated only 2 of the 4 are "actual"....the CSA score for company will eventually take a hit when caught. And by allowing the driver (almost insisting....actually insisting, since they [the company] know full well before the dispatch) to "fudge" to make the run....they are breaking a second provision, and actually the main provision of what CSA was intended for; to make the company complicit when asking/forcing a driver to run illegal!

    E-log or paper log....what changes when a driver stops to pee? Nothing...Line 1 off duty....unless the driver is using his pee to fill the DEF tank, then that would constitute Line 4.....after all, he is "fueling" per se!
     
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    Example. I ran a dedicated run for awhile so my day started with a pre trip then I would run 3 1/2 hours and stop for lunch. I take my sweet time eating lunch and relaxing. After lunch I would use the restroom. I would be here for an hour to an hour and half. Then I would continue on my run and drive another 1 1/2 hours to my destination. I would have to sit in line forever(roughly 2 hours) and then I would be ready to turn and head to the house. Now I have another 5 hours to run to get back home. This adds up to 10 hours driving but now what if there is a little bit of traffic along the way that pushes my time back? Am I supposed to sit at some truckstop 30 minutes from my house because I am stuck running E-logs? I don't think so I am going to the house and sleeping in my bed which will make me get better rest for my 10 hour break therefore it will allow me to be a safer driver out there on the road. Oh don't forget every few days your going to have to stop and get fuel. So add up the lunch break, the fuel stop, and the sitting in line to get unloaded/loaded and sometimes it takes alot longer. Darn now your pushing your 11 hour drive time and your 14 hour rule plus you have to sleep in the truck and be uncomfortable when you could be at the house sleeping in your own bed and getting a very good 10 hours break and being a safer driver. E-logs have nothing to do with safety even if you say its about compliance.
     
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    What's missing in the CSA(?)....shipper/receiver complicity!

    Cracking down on these long load/unload times, and by keeping with appointment times, or simply using some common sense and switching from appointments to FCFS, would be a very pro-active stance for Gov and docks to work, and allow to work in compliance with HOS rules for drivers.
     
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    You chose to waste time yourself! You used up needed time of your 14 to satisfy your own personal time. Not good "planning" on your part at all. You knew there would be (about) 2 hours at delivery.....you can't use the restroom and have your lunch in the truck while waiting?

    Even on E-logs, those 2 hours (approx) would not be effecting your driving time, you would simply push the button to Line 1 after pushing the button (Line 4) arriving at receiver....it's not rocket science, it's common sense and thinking ahead...you know "PLANNING"!!!!!