Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

You mighy have 15 years experience but you need to smarten up a little about trucking. If you like your elogs thats fine but do not force them down my throught. In my 22 years i have never had a log book ticket so them makeing me safer is a bunch of bs. I work hard for my money and its up to me to spend it the way i choose not the goverment on more bs. You show me some stats on elogs makeing things safer. I see an awfull lot of trucks with the elog sticker on the door in wrecks. You can put all the safty bs you want on a truck you still need a person to drive it and you can not fix people makeing errors no matter what you have.

 

So you agree CSA2010 will weed out the drivers that shouldnt be out here,its all about "SAFETY" like you said/asked,,,so if your compliant what is the big deal,CSA2010 and ELOGS will weed out the bad ones and make roads safer just like you want,,

You can train drivers for weeks on end,,but once he is on his own a bad habit learned,it will a habit that wont be broke until forced

You know those habits:
Fudging your book,,,driving past your hours,,,not inspecting your Responsibility,,,etc... etc... etc...

Now think about that driver that does this,and he is behind YOUR Family and he doesnt/or cant stop and runs over them,(not that i would want that on you),,,and when they go over his paper log,they find out he shouldnt have been there(cause he wasnt compliant) well i guess you just have to go

 

I just want to say thanks for the good post. Glad you are putting your 22 years out there to prove a good and valid point. Hopefully one day I will be at your expierence level. Stay safe Driver.

 

I didn't know that just because your on E-LOGS that means it is PROVEN that you do a pre trip, en route, and post trip inspection... Wow learned something new by that statement. Most of the drivers responding not wanting them have stated they DO NOT run illegal. The problem is we haven't done anything wrong to have this decided for us. We are worried about the cost also. IMO if companies want them is thier trucks then so be it but it should not be forced on the owner ops. You have your opinion and We have ours.

 

I dont totally agree with csa 2010 as somebody needs to smack the jackwagons in the head that made the pts system out of whack on some things BUT I do agree with it weeding out the jackwagons that need out. I dont believe E-logs are the way to do this. Obviously the govt figured out there are some folks that should have never gotten a cdl and they want to "fix that". I also do agree with getting some really unsafe junk trucks off the road and then wonder why they let the south of the border crew in the country if thats what they wanted. The bad habits you discuss are sometimes learned from bad trainers which some attention needs to be placed there. You know you cant have some kid with 6 mos of experience teaching someone else, but it happens. The trainers should have more experience than that and should have re-training themselves once in awhile along with their students having a checkup to see how they are doing which should tell you how your trainer did. An example would be if you have 25% of a trainers students with log violations then adress the issues (re training) with the student if a trainer has 50% of student with log violations then trainer and student needs re-training and trainer should be flagged so you are watching for these issues from this trainer and his students. The students should be taught on paper only until they have like 6 mos exp and then put on e logs if your company runs them.

A trainer is the students first impression of a company and bad habits will be learned from them as well as good hopefully. Like if a trainer talks (no hands free) on his cell phone then student might be more apt to. If trainer has cool hands free setup then student might want to get one of those so on, so forth.

So I guess what im getting at is that there needs to be new thinking in the industry. A student isnt there for some company trainer to get extra miles from to get extra pay and NO lease/owner should be a trainer either. Give the company guy a flat rate to train per day. This is where the focus should be not in things that will only matter after the incident has already occurred. Something like this will not cost single truck owners anything more.

I almost forgot something else. If you weeded out people better BEFORE they go to truck driving school then they would have better students to work with and less people getting a cdl and then maybe the mega carriers could actually work on driver retention.

I hope this all made good sense as I feel like Im rambling now

 

No One (especially me) is gonna force ELOGS on you except you and your record,,thats it,I too have never had one ticket ,citation,fine,,,NADA so whats your point? you have nothing to worry about

And the wrecks ,,oh jeez DRIVER make a better argument than that,,,, what about the untold 100's of 1000's of wrecks PRIOR to CSA 2010,,you know all the facts(accident records)and Vehicle safety data(Roadside inspections) they used to come up with them,all the years of record keeping they did to use our own industry against us.Look to your left,right in front of and behind,,there is the problems all around you,it isnt ELOGS,,,they are the end product of years of drivers that didnt do as you and I did,,Follow the rules...

Remember when the HOS changed??? and the industry got WHAT? SAFER each and every year since then,,hmmm i seem to recall how back then drivers like you were saying the same thing,,"Wont make anything more safer"

No need for me to (as you say) Smarten up,,,see unlike you i can seeBOTH sides of the issue,my view is not tainted by my job

CSA2010 will make this industry safer,it will take Non-Compliant drivers of the roads,ELOGS are a mere tool to do so,,,

 

Sell that CSA baloney to one of our other members who had some slitch deliberately run head on into his lane and commit suicide on his truck. Totally her fault, but CSA points are "awarded" to him.

 

So I guess in your view the same could be said about Paper logs ,,CORRECT?,and yes you have done something to have it decided for you,your in a Regulated Industry,,you have to conform to the regulations that govern them( you might want to fact-check,might be alarmed on any given day 5-7% of drivers are put out of service every year at "RoadCheck",there are over 3 million trucks o the road on any given day,you do the math),,,
Why are O/O's different than the Big Company's??? I have herd more than once on this thread that their needs to be a level playing field,So in your eyes big company on ELOGS,,GOOD,,,O/O's BAD,,Come on driver dont tell me that is the best you have

 

No one is going to force elogs on me. Do some research they changed the rule that was in the works so that all trucks will need to have elogs not just the ones with a bad safty record. Yes the industry got safer with the new hos rule which just go's to show elogs are not needed and just a big gimmick. I do not know all the facts but i know when something is bs. Both sides of the issue enlighten me. The big companys have come right out and said they want elogs to level the field and as far as safty like i said they will not make things safer. Enough with this i'am not going to keep beating a dead horse. you have you mind set on elogs thats fine but dont sit there and tell me there great and will make things better because they wont. You will never stop wrecks or bad driver's , never no matter what you do.