Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. BadActor

    BadActor Light Load Member

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    Swift-Driver Inspections 2% OOS rate

    Wener-Driver Inspections 1% OOS rate

    CRST-Driver Inspections 2% OOS rate

    CR England-Driver Inspections 1% OOS rate

    This is what I was looking at, which is what I felt was more indicative of fewer HOS VIOLATIONS. Your right, the other numbers are not good, but all categories aren't necessarily influenced by HOS violations, even Fatigued Driving. You can be determined to be fatigued and not have an HOS violation, such as crossing a center line ticket or being involved in a crash. As far as crashes go, these numbers are misleading. These are totals, and don't really reflect the accident per miles percentage you would need to be able to compare to the smaller carriers.
     
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  3. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Those crash numbers also don't differentiate between "involved in" and "at fault"!
     
  4. volvodriver01

    volvodriver01 Road Train Member

    If all E-logs will do is lower the number of driver inspection oos % but raise every other category then I don't see that they are helping the industry any. Yay we have 1% oos rate for logs but 93% unsafe driving. Whats going to kill your family first a log violation or a driver running unsafe? I would much rather my family be driving around a driver thats been running for 12 hours versus a driver running 64.9mph in a 30mph zone and hits my family running 64.9mph while they are 30mph and destroying my family... I understand 93% unsafe is for speeding, crossing the center line, and other things but if this driver was able to control his running with paper than the roads would be safer. 93% is bull crap.
     
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  5. volvodriver01

    volvodriver01 Road Train Member

    duplicate post. Sorry about that don't know whats going on with my computer lately.
     
  6. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    It's a multi step approach, this is where the EOBR comes into play. Using the EOBR data you can proactively speak with your drivers about their driving habits. By monitoring driver speed vs posted speed limit, hard braking, and roll stability, you can help prevent things like speeding tickets, following too closely, and my favorite....roll overs.

    Speeding is the easiest of these items to talk to drivers about, there is seldom a reason to let the truck roll to 92 mph coming down a mountain. When the response is "well you didn't want the load to be late" followed by laughter, it's not a good sign. Eventually they'll get caught, or worse they'll be involved in an accident. That becomes a useful tool.

    Likewise with hard braking events. It's one thing when you're travelling thru Dallas and some dude cuts across 4 lanes of traffic to take an exit, your choice are dynamite the brakes or homicide the driver. By all means, dynamite! It's something else when you slow down 30 mph in 2 seconds because you weren't paying attention to a light. That's a behavior we can address.

    Roll Stability, well physics is fun. Dudes seldom believe they're doing anything wrong, but after speaking with them the frequency drops (well only if you always speak to them, and not just when you have free time).

    So eLogs good for fatigued, EOBR good for unsafe (if you don't mind a babysitter), Meltom (awesome, except not available for another 2 years while watching his kids).

    Thanks and enjoy.
     
  7. Flip Flops

    Flip Flops Medium Load Member

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    wouldn't it be easier to hire experienced safe drivers that do not need a baby sitter ??
     
  8. BadActor

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    The point I was trying to make is that the reason large companies are going to E-Logs is that it reduces the number of HOS violations and consequently, fines. Money here is the incentive, not so much as safety.
     
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  9. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    No, not really. How do you identify a driver that doesn't need a babysitter in an interview? Please explain this process to me.
     
  10. Flip Flops

    Flip Flops Medium Load Member

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    You mean you can't tell by talking too someone if they know what they are doing or not ??
     
  11. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    Pretty much yes, every situation is different. Some dudes know the right things to say, others don't. I like to base my decisions off of actions, not talk.
     
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