Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Because the whinners that have them think every one else should to.
I bet that the ones posting on this thread now that think EBOR's are the greatest thing sense power steering was put in trucks are using them now.

 

Funny thing is that I deal with the ND HP/DOT alot. They tend to look at our trailers and bulls eyes. But they say we can't drive over 11 hours. Well unless we are running less then 150 miles or during harvest which is still under a certain radius but then we can actually run as many hours as we want. Yes during harvest and if we stay within a certain radius then we can run 24 hours if we want.

 

Nope not yet.So again your wrong.

But when they come they will make zero difference in my operation of my vehicle. See compliance is quite easy, all they enforce is compliance. Further on the rare occasion I run 15 minutes over or need to move I feel no need to hide my actions, or be deceptive about my decisions with an eraser.

 

All I know is that is in the regulations. Perhaps they are interpreting it as your company is Interstate and therefore not exempt. Might be something to ask them about next time you see one. I find they will answer any question posed politely so long as the words blood stain and or probable cause are not used

 

The rational of the discussion, involves previous HOS violations on a base of 407 trucks involved in crashes. The HOS violation is statistically insiginificant involving the base size of 407 incidents(being HOS violations are said to be 2.2% in data presented).

A much BETTER explanation of the data gathered is that equipment has gotten better and maintenance of equipment has improved from 1989 to present as one would expect from the data presented.

So yes, crash injuries have fallen... but appear as a direct correlation to improved equipment and improved equipment maintenance regulations. NOT HOS regulations.

Nice try though...

 

So HOS has increased accidents but better maintenance is masking that fact? Wow. Never mind. That a Kneivel type leap. Fortunately people understand compliance with the HOS work and will continue to use all available technology to enforce them.

So remember toys go in the happy meals and only one sauce with the nuggets.

 

I Said, HOS has no effect on accident injuries(which was the type of study you posted)... Did you even read it?

The study also looked at brake wear... adjustments, mechanical wear ect. ect... Which show a curve to decreased mechanical issues.... along with a decrease in accident injuries over time... In statistical analysis, one calls this a trend... and can conclude that both equipment and equipment maintenance have improved since 1986.... the start of the study ending in 2009.

 

That's the problem with studies . By the time you read the data it's obsolete . Of course brakes have improved since 1986 . Since then there are more automatic slack adjusters , disc brakes and ABS .
Now as far as accidents "being related " to any factor that data is misleading . Every accident will show multiple factors but some of those factors may not have contributed to the accident . If a driver is 15 minutes over his 11 hours , is going 2 m.p.h. over the speed limit and has an accident when a steer tire blows did the HOS violation and speed cause the accident ? They will be shown as factors .

 

All we have to do to prove that is look at Werner's record before and after elogs. They will not "make" the roads safer. Only the drivers can do that.

 

Same could be said for YOUR company (or any other) but if your gonna quote me at least quote me on all of my statement

For all the EOBR Naysayers
Hmmmm,lets see for the most part the "Argument" is,,ELOBS/EOBR's WILL NOT make roads safer(Seems that has yet to be proved here)

BUT....

Paper Logs Surely HASNT made the roads safer EITHER

"NO..." the two dont cancel each other out,,sad reality is that the DECADES on paper logs have been instumental in bringing on the advent of EOBR's,

When are the proponents of Paper going to realize that PATT,CRASH,DOT,FMCSA,etc.. have got DECADES of pertinent information that lends to their argument,,and what can truckers say???BUBKUS

When is our industry going to accept that you have to be right/correct 100% of the time,NO GRAY AREA,no mistakes(and for the less than 1% that do ,,,,,

Did you ever think that maybe,,JUST MAYBE EOBR's/ELOGS might be the lesser of two evils compared to what they MIGHT come up with next
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And I DO AGREE with you its up to the drivers,but with nothing to hold their collective feet to the fire 99.9% wont,,,EOBR's only make a driver COMPLIANT and thus "Hopefully" SAFER