Why CSA2010 scares me

HEAVY DUDE · Nov 30, 2010

The thing your forgetting is everyone gets the same points for the same violations. The playing field is level.

outerspacehillbilly · Nov 30, 2010

bullhaulerswife said: ↑

We had a guy head right for hubby's passenger steer tire, after looking up and looking me in the eye. (suicide by truck???) He was literally leaning over the steering wheel, you know, like you see in the cartoons, just before they are about to make that sudden move? This was in KC, and we all know that big trucks aren't allowed in the far left lane in KC. I alerted hubby just in time, he swerved over to the far left lane, let off the accelerator as this little booger barreled across two lanes. Had hubby maintained his speed, and stayed in that lane, that guy would not be alive today. I just thank god that there weren't any officers there to write hubby a ticket for being in the left lane.

What I don't understand, is they build these buy passes around these bigger cities, but restrict the trucks from being in the far left lane. If your a truck, and your only passing through, you want to stay away from those getting on and off the freeways, so why not let them use the far left lane?
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Because that makes too much sense and takes away a cash cow for them.

ChromeDome said: ↑

One thing you have to remember though.
The points do not cross basics, and each basic is weighted differently. So you may have 6 points for a nail in a tire, but since it really is not a major safety thing it does not weigh as heavy in the actual calculation of a safety rating.
If it was just point for point don't you think that drunk driving would be higher than 10 points?
10 is the max for any basic. So the 6 points is middle of the road for that basic.
Now do I agree that in the vehicle maintenance category a nail is worth 6 points? No I do not.
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It's so asinine and ridiculous that is doesn't even make sense.

INF3RNAL · Nov 30, 2010

HEAVY DUDE said: ↑

The thing your forgetting is everyone gets the same points for the same violations. The playing field is level.
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lol the playing field is never level with the government.

dieselbear · Nov 30, 2010

celticwolf said: ↑

I know you are just one of several hundred highway officers, but this situation has made me wonder..

If I have to hit a restricted lane to avoid an accident (getting off the accelerator just wasn't enough) and I get back where I belong as quickly and safely as possible can I be subject to a ticket?
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Well I can't tell you a blanket yes or no. I watch the truck for at least 1/2 or 3/4 of mile to see what he is doing. Most of the time I am behind the truck a few cars back and can see what they are doing. Are they out passing others? Did they have to get over to avoid something and then get back as soon and safe as possible? For me it's more than just you were there. I want to see what you were doing before I stop someone and see what their story is.

dieselbear · Nov 30, 2010

INF3RNAL said: ↑

Because he was about to miss his interchange and was slowing down, so the safest thing for me to do was to move left IMO. And, guess what? As operator of my truck, that's my call AND it's my job to make those calls. I didn't move back over the second he was gone, but I didn't pass him nor did I pass anybody. Easy to play devils advocate when you weren't there.

What really gets me about the situation is the cop asked me for $120 before he even had a ticket written, looked at my truck or my paperwork, or before he really did anything. Maybe that's SOP, but seems to me he could have just taken it. I guess in Illinois you don't even have to bribe the cops, they just come out and ask you for it.

I get a ticket for being in the left lane(harmless), and I get a ticket, while the guy that put me there(unsafe) drives away. Maybe you guys should get tickets for sucking at your jobs.
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I wasn't trying to be a d***, I was asking what the scenario was. I can't help what he did, I just wanted to know the scenario, that was the devil's advocate part. Kinda hard to get the entire story from your original post.

CummingsHauling&Rigging · Nov 30, 2010

I was taught about truck safety by tough old SOBs who were trucking in the 30's. Here are the deadly sins as they were drilled into my head.

Following to closely.

Driving too fast (not just the speed limit, but taking into account load, weather, traffic, condition of the highway, or anything else)

Defective, inoperable , or out of adjustment brakes. Many truck accidents are a matter of a couple feet.

Improperly secured cargo. (the standard taught to me is, if you roll the truck the load should still be on the trailer when you stop rolling)

If I broke any of those rules I had some old SOB chewing me out for like a week. Sometimes they would even come to my house on Sundays to lecture me on how to be safe.

To this day I can't break "the rules" without having one of those old baztords come to life in my head and tell me I am an idiot.

I know they were right because every time I hear of a bad accident, one of the above rules have been broken.

When I see things like tailgating, speeding, brakes out of adjustment, carrying a lower severity rating than a nail in a tire or a marker light out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I just got to wonder if the guys running this CSA show are smoking crack

INF3RNAL · Dec 1, 2010

dieselbear said: ↑

I wasn't trying to be a d***, I was asking what the scenario was. I can't help what he did, I just wanted to know the scenario, that was the devil's advocate part. Kinda hard to get the entire story from your original post.
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I know, but he was. Sorry if I directed my anger toward you.

chalupa · Dec 1, 2010

Chrome, I know the formula but where do I get the factors like the nail, the light, the tire and the severity of each ?

DL550CAT · Dec 1, 2010

HEAVY DUDE said: ↑

The thing your forgetting is everyone gets the same points for the same violations. The playing field is level.
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If I understand it correctly if you are in a dot reportable accident you get the same points if it was your fault or not. So if I am driving down the road not paying attention and rear end the Sunshine family camper and you are sitting at a stop light and some 4 wheeler runs under your trailer we get the same points! No I dont think its level.

We had a safety guy from Pitt-Ohio come and talk to our company friday about csa. It is supposed to take affect tomorrow the 2nd but he said there was a court case trying to stop it. We'll see I guess.

I think some of what the csa is about is a good thing but for the most part like most gov. ideas they took it way to far. They want to improve safety I think thats great but the way they are going about it looks like they are more concerned about other things.

Truck drivers have been mad for years and talking about a strike. I wonder if CSA 2010 wont be the straw that breaks the camels back.

HEAVY DUDE · Dec 1, 2010

DL550CAT said: ↑

If I understand it correctly if you are in a dot reportable accident you get the same points if it was your fault or not. So if I am driving down the road not paying attention and rear end the Sunshine family camper and you are sitting at a stop light and some 4 wheeler runs under your trailer we get the same points! No I dont think its level.

We had a safety guy from Pitt-Ohio come and talk to our company friday about csa. It is supposed to take affect tomorrow the 2nd but he said there was a court case trying to stop it. We'll see I guess.

I think some of what the csa is about is a good thing but for the most part like most gov. ideas they took it way to far. They want to improve safety I think thats great but the way they are going about it looks like they are more concerned about other things.

Truck drivers have been mad for years and talking about a strike. I wonder if CSA 2010 wont be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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From what I understand the non preventables are not going to count. ATA? I think got it changed.

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