Wisconsin protests

You tell me? Are you out fighting the police?

 

What makes that professor think that blacks dont get married, and fathers dont take care of their kids, and that their parents don't teach them to be high character? Also, why does any of that matter? Many people of different races have these same issues. I did not have my father in my life at all, and my brothers and me did just fine, as have many other black people. Many of us are very high character citizens. People want to look at all the wrong reasons for a lack of success and that elitist person you listened stated all the least important things because everyone was taught right from wrong. As I stated in another post, systematic racism does exist to a degree. At the same time, there will have to be accountability for poor choices. We gotta get more objective on how we look at things.

 

For the most part I think folks have been pretty respectful towards each other. Its a good discussion. Once a thread moves into the restricted area it just seems to degrade into petty name calling.

 

This mentality is why some aspects of police brutality among blacks have occured. You're already trying to inject false narratives or preconceived notions on @ZVar.

 

Have you ever watched the interview with Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Lil Wayne, and several other successful black guys on the topic of "Does racism exist in America"?

 

Yes, I am responsible for the other drivers on my account and in my company. One of our drivers hit one of our trailers two, maybe three weeks ago. I heard the crash, but did not see it. I did see the driver pulling away from the spot, and I walked over to see. The 'driver' had hit the hinge on the passanger side trailer door into the front left corner post of the trailer on his blind side, put a nice dent into the post and cracked the hinge on his trailer. The 'driver' was not going to call it in. I told him "you call it in or I will", and was called a snitch.

If we see bad actors and don't take action, we accept responsibility for the results. Our industry would be better if we took training seriously and cared about safety as much as we claim to.

Remember that Florida cop who planted drugs on at least 120 innocent motorists during routine traffic stops? The assistant DA who started the investigation has filed for whistle blower protection due to the reaction from her superiors and colleagues.

Or look at Ronald Watts - convicted of lying, fabricating evidence, theft, etc. His subordinates knew - only two of them received any reprimand, the two who filed complaints. The others are still employed by CPD and at least one has been promoted. They can't testify in court, but they are serving officers walking a beat. The DA who KNEW Watts was lying and possibly asked Watts to fabricate evidence still has a law license. Watts' superiors were never reprimanded for not taking action on the numerous complaints and allegations, nor for retaliating against the two officers who filed complaints.

The small minority of bad cops undermine public confidence and trust. By not aggressively policing their own ranks, cops are increasing the risk to themselves and the communities they serve.

 

There are threads where bad driving or other bad actions have been observed and the question of what should a driver do is asked.

Unsurprisingly a large number of responses are to MYOB, or "don't be a snitch," etc... a lot from a lot of the same people in these threads who talk about law and order and are complaining about the rioting.

 

Well you have to use arrests or convictions because there is no metric for unknown crimes.

I think that the idea that blacks are being targeted more would mean that there's a lot of white crime that's going undocumented.

Black men are who statistically commits the majority of the crimes and that's about 7% of the population. So or white crime to be equal to that would mean they would have to be probably ten times more crime committed by white people that is unreported

That's hard to believe because we're generally talking about violent crimes like rape assault murder shootings. I find it hard to believe that there could be that much that is undocumented.

As far as targeting them, I don't know that it would make the actual statistic go up because unless they frame them or something else but it is possible that they are targeted more absolutely. Especially in the Urban areas because that is where you have a small amount of the population committing a large amount of the crime.

Now I'm not siding with the police if they do Target anyone but think of it like this.

You're a driver you travel all over the country. You know that there's a truck stop that you go to or a place that you make a delivery let's say there's a place that you make a delivery this is a really nice neighborhood in whenever you go there everyone is nice and friendly and you have zero problems there. If you see someone under those circumstances walking down the street or approaching you or coming near your truck let's say you probably don't think much of it.

But now let's say that you deliver into an area where people get shot for a nickel and it happens five times a day. Let's say you deliver to a place where drivers have been shot there maybe 20 times over the last year.

In that situation would you not look at everyone and wonder? In that situation would you not be hypersensitive? In that situation if someone approached you would you assume they're a good person upstanding citizen or would you assume that it's a possible crime to shortly be in progress?

I don't think it's any different for the police and in that particular situation that I just said about your delivering in that bad area that does not make you racist. It makes you aware of your surroundings and it makes you aware of where you are and you are aware of what the danger is there.

I do agree poverty has something to do with it but it's not just poverty. I think that it's really the fatherless rate and the children are not well parented and absolutely it's the education rate.

Unfortunately in these communities welfare has contributed to many more fatherless children because they have an incentive to have more children without a father.

Before welfare came to be the black community was about 80% with fathers and 20% without. After welfare came about those numbers flipped.

That and illiterate children that never graduate high school is a big part of the problem.

 

That is a very intelligent response.

I think the term Thug or hoodlum is something that should describe a person's actions not their appearance.

I do disagree with the blanket statement that whites just call inner-city people thugs. I think that is too broad of a generalization.

With that being said how you dress or how you present yourself to the world does have an effect on how people see you.

If you paint a little mustache on yourself and where the old military uniforms and put swastikas on your arms people are going to have a certain idea about you simply because of how you are dressed.

Now as far as hiring someone goes again the way that you dress does have a certain reflection on yourself. Now they're always are going to be people that have some level of racism that are white people there's always going to be some level of people that have racism that are black people it's just part of humanity unfortunately and the government will never regulate that away and I hope it's a very small subset of each group.

But if an African-American individual comes in for a job with a crooked hat and pants that are five sizes too big for him that are down below his butt cheeks, he may not get the job simply because he presented himself unprofessionally.

And let's not forget the racism goes both ways. We have African Americans that have their own award shows but then there's rage and anger if they don't win on the regular award show. There are black television shows yet there the they're the outrage if a television show is a white television show.

We are not in the 1950s. There are a lot of black owned businesses and as time goes on I think by 2040 or something like that the majority of this country will be black.

I'm sure that if a white person walked into Death Row Records and said hey man give me a job they may just booted me out and laugh at him, unless it was a pretty white woman.

There is racism on all sides and all of it should be condemned and everyone should get along and never talk about racism because it only makes it worse.

 

I partially agree with your post. There's no such thing as "job for teens." A job is a job. At least they are trying. Not everyone is going to elevate. It's the way it is. The society needs balance. Sometimes people get stuck due to consequences of decisions, or misfortune. We can't speak on these folks' lives. We don't know their situation or how their lives went. Also some folks just don't have the cognitive ability to do much more than work those jobs. Some people are ok with it, they don't have the desire as you say, and we can't make them. There are sects of the country where some folks just aren't aware of opportunities. They only time some people see a way out is if the military comes recruiting, or if one of the kids are good athletically, then colleges come showing up. I mean, its different factors as to why people are in the situation they're in and it's not our job to pass judgment or to say, "if I can do it, you can do it." No two people are the same.