Automatic CDL drop

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by GrumpyJoe, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. GrumpyJoe

    GrumpyJoe Light Load Member

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    So as I started getting ready for the journey i see my doc about long term stomach issues. I am sure every trucker out there has had this same problem. Imodium is at every truck stop along with Pepto. Still these were not enough thanks to a drunk driver back in 1984. My doc gives me a stronger pill I can advance the usage from one to eight pills a day. No problem right? NOPE Lomotil is a schedule 2 narc. It will show up on a hair test as well as some blood or urine tests. It is also the last ditch when all else fails.

    So what do all them older truckers do? Even too much Imodium will show up in the drug tests. Not sure what to think until the recruiter comes back. It is needed and prescribed by a doctor for a known condition? I would think it is not a problem other than it says a side effect for some is drowsiness. Not me, I do not even notice it other than not running to the john all the time.

    Any suggestions would be nice. I do not care about some companies are too crazy with rules as this is also a no fly drug for pilots. One can only eat so many bananas, cheese and the BRAT diet sucks. 35 years fighting this so I may just suck it up for another 10 years before taking the prescribed drugs. It could be worse as my niece has Crones and spends 2-5 weeks a year in the hospital with IV narcotics for the pain.
     
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  3. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

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    i'm sorry, but i fail to see how an OTC med like Imodium can show up in a drug test.

    what's next, too much Neosporin on your cuts?

    too much Ben Gay?

    too much Preperation H..???

    i don;t buy your synopsis of Imodium for diarrhea problems.
     
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    If you cant hold it, and it wont stay inside of aadult diapers, you wont be able to get training.
     
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  5. dibstr

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    It’s not a schedule 2 narcotic.
     
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  6. GrumpyJoe

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    Imodium is not a sch2 drug. The ingredients if taken at full dose long term may show up as a positive on hair test.

    As to how well I can hold my ####, come for a ride with me sometime. Been racing since the 70s some of the mountain challenges scared away my navigators. I only started the pills to make the drives a bit more comfortable. I was amazed at how a stomach medicine could be considered so bad.

    My recruiter called back and said it is on the cdl doctor to clear or deny the license and prep for the drug tests. He doc clears it and it is reason for positive test recruiters are ok with it. Now, how many will lie to get you in the door to later washout is another story.
     
  7. GrumpyJoe

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    The other drugs you listed are not on a schedule. Sudafed if abused will also test positive. Poppy seed bagels, cranberry breads and cookies also will test positive. In my prior life as a cop the drug tests can read a lot more than so.e think. The hair test just goes deeper and further back.
     
  8. Moose1958

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    The OP is referring to Lomotil. I have no experience with this drug. However, like all other medications, your usage as a driver is based on legal prescriptions and medical examiner saying it's OK to take, not if it will show on a drug test.
     
  9. x1Heavy

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    The problem with Imodium Liquid and similar called Lorpramide which is a active OTC drug in those kinds of liquids taken against diarrhea etc. Lorpramide used to be a OLD schedule 5 drug that was prescribed for just that purpose in a stronger dose until 1978 when schedule 5 was retired and the medicine itself sent to OTC use.

    The next issue with that drug is that pain patients have learned to take massive, truly massive doses of liquid Lorpramide from walmart or imodium liquid which is the same active drug to calm the body down against withdrawals when they run out of medicine early in the 30 days. It is not something that is a problem in trucking except that the existance of that substance in the blood is a red flag of itself to those special drug tests given to patients to check and make sure they are not concealing drug abuse by that method.

    It is not only for enforcement in pain clinics but also to provide a absolute early warning. Massive amounts of that drug in liquid form daily will stop the gut completely. Then your intestines die off then you are left without any ability to digest food and starve and are dead in a few weeks or so just because someone abused pain medicine, ran out early, endured withdrawals and discovered or was taught how to guzzle the stuff by the gallon (To paraphrase) and achieve a zen calm for the crazy wild body with bad BO, Temp swings, excesssive sweating, flip flopping, stroke level BP (Think 180 over 130 etc or higher) and no sleep at night etc etc etc.

    Walmart first noticed massive massive sales of this substance OTC at their stores about two years ago when enough people who were cut off or abused drugs to run out early started buying them by the case. In that time doctors did not really have a clue to what is going on until later. They learned soon enough.

    In trucking I carried several Kaeopectates exclusively and when drinking bad water, bad food or whatever that did not agree with the gut, I will take a bottle and keep on driving. Its worth it not to lose a days miles and be late because of the messy toilet mess.

    Those are legal and not a problem. Its when they are abuse in a way that I described in this post that it really becomes a problem. The more the people seek a workaround, the easier it is for the State or Federal Govt to write new laws banning such things or behaviors.

    Now the OP stated a particular medicine, I will need to dive into the learning about it and so on. But am not prepared to say specifically if there is a problem with such things.

    A word on Poppy Seeds which is also investigated by Drug Abusers in Clinics. This came from Polish Cushine in general some of the foods they eat relies on old time poppy seeds. It is not a problem in Poland because when they eat foods with it, it converts to morphine in the liver and goes out into the blood and then removed by the body a few hours later.

    American Poppy seeds are processed deliberately to the point of not being able to produce morphine in a American. Not to mention that the American will need to consume like a PAIL ful of poppy seeds to get a "Hit" on anything. He or she will more than likely choke on it being fed up with eating such a massive amount of American Processed Poppy seeds that has nothing in them really.

    I regularly violated alcohol each morning just by using Listerine that has Alcohol in it, its enough to fail a test made against that if caught within the hour for it. Thats not the reason or purpose for getting that into my system, its something we keep our teeth clean with all of our lives and don't plan on changing just because of a little bit of something thats a no no today in trucking.
     
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  10. GrumpyJoe

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    Yes you are right on the nose with this. Lomotil is an opiod based medicine with atropine added to keep from abusing it. The very small amount of narcotic in it relaxes the stomach to prevent the mess as you said. I may be worrying too much about nothing. I definitely do not worry about poppy seeds or mouthwash yet.

    My worry was not being able to get in to start if I had it in me right away. I will wait until I see the local DMV Doc to see if it will be a problem. Then I will probably save it for those bad weeks and keep with bananas and imodium until I am settled in. I understand the concern by DOT but things can get messy without some basic meds.

    Thank you for the positive replies.
     
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    Generally if a doctor prescribed a drug it is legal to take. And keep your license. The problem is getting a letter from the doctor after a certain amount of time has passed, usually a multipule of half life since last dose in blood, salvia, urine (Never mind hair) etc. When you are in possession of the doctor's letter saying you are cleared to return to trucking which is a public safety position and (Make certain you do not have that medicine) you are good to go.

    anything that is schedule one such as pot, is a hard fail against CDL Drivers etc at the Federal Level. The states legality etc does not matter here at all. Drivers are disqualified if they ever have a schedule one substance in them. The closest possibility would be being smashed up and maimed at trauma where life is impossible to endure, they would introduce ketamine to the injured driver temporarily to take him or her out of the situation. For example.

    You can bet after something like that you will be assessed very carefully before being allowed to go back to work IF YOU HEAL that much in time.
     
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