Tire shops - advice required before going ballistic

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  1. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Called an hour out of Pomps Tire in Sioux City, IA for work required.

    Poor phone connection, like I was on speaker phone. "We don't do appointments, so just turn up" All that confirmed was they were a functioning , open business.

    I wanted a tractor RR, outside nail removed - patched, all 22 aired - and discuss pricing/availability on 12 new 235/75 17.5 tires.

    1995 Pete 24.5 LP on tractor, tridem 17.5 step. Tractor has Budd style wheels, not hub piloted.


    Employee was a nice guy - no attitude. Colored fella new to the area from Arizona. Boss told him to ensure inner rim was torqued before outer rim was mounted. The other 3 sat looking at their phones while he worked. I watched him remount the tire after patching, then the boss called me to the front to pay up. Did not witness a torque wrench.

    Paid the $133 bill, asked him about the torque process.

    Boss tells me that "The impact wrench only torques to 450 ft/lbs"

    I ask "So it has a breakaway mechanism that cuts off power at 450 ft'lbs"

    He diverts to telling me it is such an old truck, and they don't have an inch and a half socket - and I think "Then how did you affix the nuts with the impact gun?" and why doesn't that fit on a torque bar?

    I tried to stroke his ego a little about running a tire shop with a little story about the Pomps shop that I have used local to my home 20, but as soon as I mentioned balancing drives, he told me it was a waste of time -

    If I owned a tire shop and a guy told me "Change my summer air out of my tires to winter air - I insist" , and I told him "That will be 22 tires at $10", and the customer insists - I'll deflate and inflate those tires and cash the check and have a happy customer.

    That story, had he let me finish - was I had 8 drives installed, and was ran out of the shop by a blow hard tire kid , when I asked to observe the balancing process. 3 miles down the road, vibration through the seat.

    I returned, and said to the boss - "You balance these again, and I'll pay if I'm wrong" 7 out of 8 drives were out of balance. Boss rebalanced all. No vibration.

    So - when I left this IA shop, I have a wheel end that has not been torqued.

    The tire was replaced outside - in, is this an issue for thread separation?

    The rim was dropped on concrete, and superficial rim scars.

    I had to supply an offset chuck for the kid to inflate the trailer tire because their straight foot chuck would not inflate the trailer tire. The other video watching techs couldn't be bothered helping a job out of the door even though it was blocking their access to their equipment.


    I feel I need to go to a tire shop and have it remounted, and retorqued.

    So - direct questions -

    1. Should drive tires be remounted in the same direction/
    2. Do impact guns that tire shops use have a break off point at 450 ft/lbs?
    3. Should I have this tire remounted correctly?
    4. Are all tire shops offer such poor/arrogant/sub standard service?
    I'll have to tackle this Monday, unfortunately - but what do you think?
     
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  3. Cattleman84

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    I have seen and used impacts that have a torque cut off setting... But ive been told its not reliable enough to be trusted.
     
  4. 062

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    I wouldn’t worry too much about the direction of a drive tire.
    I doubt the story about the impact. The best I’ve seen at tire shops are torque sticks, but I don’t trust them.
     
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  5. Last Call

    Last Call Road Train Member

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    None of what you posted suprises me
    That shop is a S...Show.. nobody that lives within a 100.radius will darken their door unless they have zero other options
     
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  6. AModelCat

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    No such thing as an impact that can torque to a specific spec. They aren't calibrated torque instruments.

    I have a 1/2" drive Aircat, rated north of 1000 ft-lbs in forwards. I'd be lucky to hit 550 ft-lbs on a bolt if I gave it everything. If their gun is only "rated" for 450 ft-lbs then I'd suspect it is severely under torqued.
     
  7. JonJon78

    JonJon78 Road Train Member

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    No, next time keep driving past the Pomps over to Bauer Built in the same industrial area.

    They do good work and a very respectful folks.
     
  8. Rideandrepair

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    Just have the torque checked on all of them. Making sure they’re tight. Don’t worry about the direction. No different than rotating tires on the rims. I’ve been told even the directional steers ( arrow on tire) don’t matter after they’ve been ran a while, only when new. I’ve ran used ones that way on my trailer with arrow pointed in wrong direction, without problems. I guarantee as old as your Truck is, it’s not the first time the lugs have been cranked on a little too tight. If the outers are all tight, I’d imagine the inners are, since they used the same gun.
     
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  9. lester

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    I've been around trucks for 20 some years and I've never seen a torque wrench used.. ever.. only had one set fall off..
     
  10. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    I only recently started using a torque wrench after I started using an electric impact. Otherwise I've changed or watched changed hundreds of truck tires without an impact. I used Fremont tire in sioux city before starting doing our own tire work. Never saw a torque wrench there.
     
  11. AModelCat

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    Every Kal Tire location I've been to has busted out the big torque wrench. Never seen one not move with the torque wrench either.
     
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