Tire shops - advice required before going ballistic

At the end of the day its my butt on the line.

 

Yes removing outer lugs can loosen the inner ones. So if you remove an outer Budd always retighten the inner nuts first. When backing them off it is common for the two nuts to be seized together. Although you have a socket on the outer nut the inner nut can be backing off until its flange hits the backside of the outer rim. Then the outer nut may break loose on the inner nut and come off but if it gets tight stop before you strip the stud. Work around it not putting them under high pressure. You could have the outer rim come off with 1 inner and outer nut in it or 10 of them. There is a tool to hold the outer nut and use the 13/16 square drive on the impact to separate them or an 1 1/2' box end wrench through the wheel center hole will work.
I was taught to retorque them like this If believed loose. Back the outer lug nuts off of 8 a bit. Leave 2 of them 180 degrees apart tight to hold the wheel. Then use the square socket to tighten the 8 inner nuts followed by tightening the outer nuts on them. Then repeat for the last two.

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We all have something we feel we fall short on. What do you do when 10 feet is not enough to break them loose?
All that torque stuff is for another day if ever. Nap time!

 

Yes removing outer lugs can loosen the inner ones. So if you remove an outer Budd always retighten the inner nuts first. When backing them off it is common for the two nuts to be seized together. Although you have a socket on the outer nut the inner nut can be backing off until its flange hits the backside of the outer rim. Then the outer nut may break loose on the inner nut and come off but if it gets tight stop before you strip the stud. Work around it not putting them under high pressure. You could have the outer rim come off with 1 inner and outer nut in it or 10 of them. There is a tool to hold the outer nut and use the 13/16 square drive on the impact to separate them or an 1 1/2' box end wrench through the wheel center hole will work.
I was taught to retorque them like this If believed loose. Back the outer lug nuts off of 8 a bit. Leave 2 of them 180 degrees apart tight to hold the wheel. Then use the square socket to tighten the 8 inner nuts followed by tightening the outer nuts on them. Then repeat for the last two.

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I would call pomps home office in green bay ...ive never done business with them tho.

 

There is a feel that some guys get some don’t I have worked with seemingly good mechanics that didn’t catch the shop air being down in their impacts immediately. This was in the days prior to battery power and we had a soft whip line off a 3/8 shop hose. 3/4 and 1 inch it was best to use a 1” hose.

Besides the #### horsy pressure washer one my first duties was tires. All Budd wheels I’m that era. You always had a piece of cardboard to lay the back side of the wheel on. It wasn’t allowed to hit the floor. You always wiped the faces off before mounting and never run the nuts up at full speed. Just tickle them snug and a couple hits you were good. You also learned very fast not to scratch the aluminum wheels with a bar. And after several nights of free polishing you don’t tighten the outters without the protective gasket. Even if the wheels weren’t pristine you still better not mark them up.

I have used a torque wrench as well and not ever had any trouble. However I havent had Budd wheel touched out on the road in the last 10 years that the 3rd day after I didn’t have a #### broke stud or 2. Call me crazy but they get a little hop to them when loose. I had a Loves fix a drive a while back and like to never convinced the “tech” that they were in a bind and not straight. It was obvious by the amount of stud sticking through the nut. My truck is swapped to hub pilot. Because of that very thing I have never been a fan of hub pilot. But getting a tire fixed at night on a loaded cow bus running budds good luck. Pros and cons give a ####s and nots. And bout the time you get a place found you like some m’fer steals one the shop hands for a nickel more an hour and you look up and the whole crew has jumped ship to go to this new place.

I should’ve paid more attention pop had a system of tire rotation that was front to rear at x miles on the drives then you broke em all down and flipped them on the rim at x miles. No you couldn’t just side to side them. But remember he was teaching young boys to work. Sometimes you have to create that work. We done steers too. I know I can’t get near the miles outta a new set that I run as he could with a hired driver. Prosperity it gets you every time. Again paid better attention.

 

I used both Bauer and Pomps. They're about the same with price and quality.
Now I use an indepent shop that has 3 employees. All 3 work on the truck trailer at the same time and they have better prices and
better quality service. I also make appointments for service when I can. They do walk in service also, might have to wait a little.

When the tire tech rattles the lug on, then uses torgue wrench. But the nuts don't move with the wrench, obvious the lugs are too tight.

I carry a torque wrench with me, for those occasions when I need road service.

 

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