Engine Locked Need Help

Discussion in 'Freightliner Forum' started by AFC, Aug 3, 2024.

  1. AFC

    AFC Heavy Load Member

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    Original oil pan was removed on the second day after the incident. Oil was put in and engine was seized. Truck was towed to Chicago and new oil pan should be removed now. Insurance inspector will be back tomorrow (Monday) to finalize his conclusion.
     
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  3. Judge

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    i’d say $2500/month is expensive.
    When i bought one from a dealer it was $1200/month for 48 months. had it paid off in 24, but i didn’t have to pay that much.
    Right now you can get a truck for reasonable price.
    That was a cascadia, then bought pete outright.
    But if you get low interest sometimes better to just pay and keep money for a just in case situation.
     
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  4. Rideandrepair

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    What year, make, model is the Truck? It has 640k, if the engine isn’t damaged now, it’ll need an overhaul anyway, probably within 2-3 years tops. If it’s a Cascadia, 2018’s w/ miles in 600’s are about $25000 asking price. Probably find one cheaper. Considering it cost you $14k already for a new head, how much now to rebuild the rest? $25k? Was the head work done at the Companies shop? $14k is about double the average cost to replace a head. Is the Truck worth $35k, plus $40k worth of repairs? You’re upside down already. Bad engine? Way upside down. I don’t know what your relationship is with the Company you’re Leased on with. Don’t know if you owe them the $35k. If so, considering they make money off you running a Truck for them, you may have some negotiating power. Maybe they can work you into a newer Truck, with less miles. Maybe better mpg’s. Maybe lower payment? This Truck at best case scenario is probably not worth what you owe. The Company can help absorb costs, if they want to. Sounds like they’ve been making plenty money off you. If the Loan/Lease isn’t tied to your credit report. Cut the loss. Better than being an Indentured Slave. This Trucks going to cost more than a newer one regardless. There’s no financial incentive to pay it off. It’ll be wore out. You’ll be spending more than it’s worth. You can buy a $100k Truck financed at 10% for 48mos. and have a $2500 mo. Pymt. I don’t think this Trucks worth keeping. Even if it’s an easy fix, you’ll still better off upgrading to a newer Truck before rebuilding this engine. This is why Lease Purchases hardly ever work. If you’re going to do a Lease Purchase. Focus on net earnings only. Forget about ever actually owning the Truck. Keep your credit out of the equation. Make sure you can walk away if needed. If that’s your scenario right now, maybe the Company will work with you. If your credit in on the line, it’s your call. Investing more into this Truck may be a big mistake. You’ll be chasing it a long time. Spending a lot more than it’s worth. Only 640k miles and only $35k aren’t good numbers.
     
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  5. wore out

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    You’re very right. Most do not understand there is still a mechanical side to stuff that can fail and not code. A diagnostic computer in the hands of a competent mechanic is a wonderful thing. However they do not lead you by the hand to the problem. They allow you to navigate through the steps necessary to find and correct the problem.

    So many say it’s a wire or starter issue. If so and may be there is obvious sign of damage where the pole hit the harness starter etc. also if it’s harness then starter isn’t engaging which is easy to identify or hear even from a driver. If it’s not engaging I agree harness etc. thing is communication just clicking means different things to most people. I agree a driver didn’t hire out to be a mechanic he’s doing his best to relay what he thinks is important. So he done his part. What I want to know is how these #### sticks stay in business. Why as an industry do y’all put up with it. I call for professional help he #### well better he. I understand you get what you pay for but computers are cheap these days. I’ll guarantee you it’s got codes in it for low oil level and pressure. Date and time of day each event happened and how long. Now you can set that to alarm, or shutdown. I can’t tell you the trucks I’ve seen that the owner tells a shop to turn the shutdown feature off cause there having an intermittent electrical issue and the trucks gotta go I don’t want it shutting down in traffic. So who knows about this truck or who had it last etc. I’d start there. If the shutdowns are on then it may be ok. When one locks up it pulls down slow doesn’t just turn off. Driver may not notice that. My whole point is this is assinine. Less than 5 minutes. I guarantee you hit that button and she’s locked any body worth his sand knows right then it’s a sound a sight if you know you know.
    (The balancer will try to move it’s not gonna stay Totally still. You can tell by looking it’s in a bind. The starter makes a get off me sound. Battery cables jump like a kid pissin on electric fence all provided some one hasn’t held the starter down and burnt it up. Which by the way they have over crank protection on them these days. A secondary solenoid that the starter engagement wire goes to then the solenoid powers the starter solenoid. So if the guy held it down not realizing and it throwed bypass it…..but it’s still locked. Again you gonna smell that in pan. Even if it’s locked in the top. All this is very simple and elementary info for any ####### that makes a living with a tool box. I agree can be beyond the owners or drivers scope of knowledge but #### that’s why you paying his ### 150 a hour)

    Let’s use reasoning here starter was fine it was last used. So if it hit something we are gonna see that damage. The way harness is tied to the truck these days if something hit it and truck motion pulled it easy to see. If starter isn’t engaging then bar the crank or check the wire to over crank solenoid to make sure it’s getting command. Which ever is easiest different trucks I may take a different route just cause one thing is easier to get to than the other.


    The auto shift is the only part of this scenario I am not qualified to speak on however if the over crank solenoid (or starter solenoid depending on how it’s set up) is getting power that rules out neutral safety. It takes seconds to burn a starter up holding it down at full amperage draw I mean seconds. New trucks really quite inside he ain’t gonna hear that.
     
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  6. Ridgeline

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    This is why I am puzzled, engines don’t just seize up without some sufficient damage. Dropping oil at the rate that is shown won’t be a cause unless there was other serious damage and only if the truck was running under a heavy load and high speed.

    the oil in the galleries when the pressure drops doesn’t mean it is bone dry, oil still lubes the load bearing surfaces for more than a few minutes.

    The other part is the assumption that the engine is seized.

    either way, the op doesn’t own the truck, the company will eat the cost, may charge the op for it and it would be better to get out from under the lease and move on.
     
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  7. AFC

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    Thanks for the advice. I do not plan on spending a dollar more on the truck. I am hoping the insurance pays for all work. My credit is not tied to the loan.
     
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  8. AFC

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    Update: Insurance inspector came today not yesterday. The oil pan and a bearing was removed and they were able to see where the engine was seized. I don’t have exact details on this yet.
    The safety department that is dealing with this claim said that in a week or so they will know what the insurance is going to do. I asked is there anyway that my claim will be denied by the insurance and they said absolutely not. It is covered under our bodily damage policy.
     
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  9. AFC

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    Physical damage
     
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  10. Siinman

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    That is good news. They will for sure throw old used parts on it like they did when I had trans messed up from a tow company. Was a nightmare since parts failed right away but they finally made it right and did reman. Hopefully they will do reman stuff if not new.
     
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  11. AFC

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    Finally Update:
    Insurance is not going to do a total loss. The company is going to put a used engine from one of the other trucks in my truck. The engine will have 490k miles on it. They agreed to put the rebuilt cylinder head in my truck from the other truck. I will probably get some money for the roadside and tow truck after my $2500 deductible. Though this isn’t concrete yet. The insurance decision will be sometime next week. Attached are pictures of my truck.
     

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