Lithium VS AGM

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  1. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    Happy happy everyone. I’m getting some slow to start cranks in around 20 degrees mornings. I figure it’s time for new batteries after about 4 years with my AGM starting batteries.

    I have an EPU and 4 batteries behind the sleeper (they’ve been run down quite a bit but still function but will need replacing before long). 4 starting batteries under the drivers steps. All AGM. My inverter is set to charge on AGM.

    So, basically I’m not sure if I can replace only the 4 starting batteries.

    Can I replace the starting batteries with lithium batteries?

    If I put in lithium starting batteries and leave the older AGMs for the EPU do I need to worry about them charging differently? The inverter is set to charge AGM. I’m guessing the inverter charges the EPU batteries and the alternator charges the starting batteries.

    Should I stick with AGM starter batteries?

    I’ll likely need to replace the EPU batteries when summer comes along.

    I know that’s a lot of questions but I don’t want to fry anything out.
     
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  3. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    Isn't the inverter on the draw side of the system, and the alternator on the charging side?
     
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  4. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    honestly I’m not really sure. I know the controller for the inverter has settings for different battery types. I think I read that it charges the batteries differently. Ag is for AGM.
     
  5. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    This video is about changing the voltage shutoff settings but he shows the chart that’s in the Eaton owners manual. His is set for Fl (flooded). He doesn’t mention it but if you pause when he shows the page and change your settings to match your battery type I believe it charges the EPU batteries. I’m not really sure what it does but there is a setting for battery type.

     
  6. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    From what I gather and probably wrong is,
    A lithium battery at 100% is 13.3 volts and a lead acid or agm is 12.7 volts at 100%.
    So if you charge an agm on li. setting it will overcharge the la or agm.
    conversly if you charge an li battery on agm setting it will not fully charge.
    so the ah number will be''off''
     
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  7. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    I have a thread on my Lithium starter batteries. I’d go with them if you have the money.
     
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  8. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    Velocity Freightliner has alliance AGM 925 CCA for $199. I went with 4 of those so as to not try and recreate the wheel.

    Id be interested in lithium if they weren’t so pricey and had a little more of a track record.

    Velocity has regular flooded cell 31s for $79. Was tempting but alas I went with the AGMs.
     
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  9. Coolbreezin

    Coolbreezin Medium Load Member

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    I have a 1991 379 with a 893ci turbo i6 (3406b). Four 1000 CCA batteries supplying the starting power. I'm in Florida so winters aren't too bad. But there have times I need a jump to get started.
    Now I have a small lithium battery powering a trickle charger to keep my 4 big ones at 13.4v overnight. Turns over like crazy every morning. Lowest temps so far were about 40°. But I believe this may be something that would help you.
     
  10. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    Kind of funny you talk about slow starting at 20 degrees, but lithium starters will be damaged if you don't warm them before charging at that temperature. Sure it can be as easy as running the lights for 10 minutes, but they're not good for the cold. Are you sure your system is segregated? I think a lot of trucks with APU batteries just use all of them for the APU but have half under the step. It would be rather complicated to separate them for starting/APU then reconnect all at different voltages to charge. If they don't separate then you may see issues with starter (not deep cycle) in half of the positions and regularly over-discharge them.

    As mentioned charging lithium is a bit tricky, but mostly because they'll take all the amps you can throw at them, and that can be bad for an alternator that doesn't self limit. They should charge fully just fine at the typical >14V output from most alternators since fully charged is 13.8V. Also the BMS in the batteries will likely cut current instantly when it senses they're full which can lead to a blown diode in the alternator when the voltage spikes.
     
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