My company is already telling us sitting in the truck while being loaded may not qualify as off duty time if the customer 'told' us to sit there. Especially if they told us to sit in the truck and wait for the red light to turn green or tune to a specific channel on the CB. Sitting in the customer break room or dropping the trailer in the dock door and bobtailing over to a staging area is also considered on duty.
They would prefer us to bobtail off property or even walk off property to legally log off duty. Logging sleeper while on the customer's property is going to open up drivers to extreme scrutiny by law enforcement. They will ask you questions about what was happening at the customer and if you answer it just wrong or if they call the customer and determine you lied, boom you may be placed out of service.
30 min break for HoS question
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by road_runner, Jun 21, 2013.
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under the OP original question
you cant exceed the time frame of driving
if you take a 30 minute break after 3.5 hours driving time anyway
your drive time would end wouldn't it
if your at a dock and go off duty that counts
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If sitting in the truck you are on line 4 you are just burning up your 70. Most companies will allow you to go to Line 1/2 while being loaded/unloaded unless you are required to be on the Dock.
As mentioned before. Once you leave line 1 or 2 and drop down to line 3 or 4 your 8 hour clock starts. Once you reach 8 hours (either on line 3 or 4 or line 3/4 combined) you must go to line 1 or 2 for 30 minutes. Then dropping down to line 3 or 4 your 8 hour clock starts again.RickG Thanks this. -
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http://www.jjkeller.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/content____bi-hoursofservice-newrule-FAQs
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The way i figure it is if you want to utilize your full 14 hour window you should not start your 30 minute break until at least 5 hrs 30 minutes after you start your 14 hr window!
I dont know why dot says 4 hrs because 4+8 =12? If i drive after the 12 i will be in violation if i have not had a 30 min break.
The point of the 30 min break is to take a break from behind the wheel! Therefore i would not use off duty driving for this 30 min break for you on elogs.
Qualcomm will allow you to select it but i would not encourage you to use it !
The 30 min brk must be off duty, sleeper or any combination of off duty/sleeper for 30 minutes!
You can not be doing anything work related during ANY dot break and that includes the 30 min brk!
You can google fmcsa dot reg and view the question and answers. Log book examples (them are great)
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My boss encourages us to use this 30 minute break during loading, especially if it is going to take an hour or more to get loaded. I argued that the regs say we must log such times as on-duty. He claims that he personally talked to KCC and they told him it was ok to use the break when loading.
That said, I know what he's saying... How is DOT going to know if you did or did not? There's times where I'm sitting in line for more than an hour, truck not moving. The new 30 min break does say that you may remain in the truck, you do not need to be in the sleeper, and still log the 30 min break. This does contradict the other regs, where you're suppose to log sleeper if in the sleeper, or on-duty if sitting in the right seat.
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