Driving past midnight...

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by double yellow, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Ok, need some clarification, so let me get this straight, if he "could" make his drop and get to the truck stop 2 miles down the road BEFORE his 11/14 runs out, then he is free to drive around town all he wants under PC?
    (Assuming he is empty, relieved from all duties, yadda, yadda, yadda)
    At that point does the Truck Stop become his "ENROUTE LODGINGS"?
     
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  3. 12 ga

    12 ga THE VIEW FROM MY OFFICE

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    Must be BOBTAIL to take advantage of PC. I believe. Never have to do that since I'm on paper.
     
  4. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    If I am reading it right, it's just "unladen" not "bobtail" hopefully SM will set me straight?
     
  5. Scalemaster

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    Question 26 ONLY allows PC for commuting from home to and from the terminal, and for "short" distances from enroute lodgings "to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings". Driving from the truck stop (enroute lodgings, if he stays there to "lodge") to a local restaurant is not exactly "free to drive around town all he wants."

    PC is not specifically addressed in the regulations. The only place PC is mentioned is in the interpretations of 395.8, question 26. PC needs to be addressed and clarified by FMCSA so that you and I can both figure out what they want. Until then, PC is only legal in those two limited instances
     
  6. scottied67

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    If a company has several terminals and the driver rolls in and drops the load or even empties out most companies have no problem with the driver going right back out the gate for their 10 hour breaks or extended breaks using personal use. I can see the argument that a terminal 2000 miles from the driver's home would be questioned as 'normal work reporting location' when they irregularly frequent that terminal. On the other hand common sense needs to prevail especially if they mandate Elogs across the board, the way things are written now are way too strict.

    Canada has it pretty good with anything 30 minutes or more off or sleeper will count toward your 10 hour break up to 2 hours max and 8 hour solid block of time off or sleeper or combo (they trust the driver to get the needed rest) . We really need something like that here where once the 14 hour clock starts it will not stop even for a nap which forces drivers to run fatigued and slam 5 hour energy drinks every hour on the hour.
     
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  7. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    Correct.

    Unladen means not loaded. Empty trailer is OK.
     
  8. flood

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    the run is 1hr load time..... 10-10.5 hr driver time 2-4 hr unload/reload time.... by the time i'm reloaded my 14 is done. so it's the only way to get to the truck stop..... company elog doesn't allow personal use
     
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    But the software tied to the ECM does show that movement, as the GPS position will not match, and the movement must be accounted for. And a lawyer will find it. You actually violated the law, and there is an electronic record of that violation.
     
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    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    BTW, where is "here"???
     
  11. Meltom

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    I've actually been stunned how little information lawyers have asked for (in my experience) when cases are going to trial.
     
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